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  • South peace stock farms
  • Real or fake horse slaughter nurse mare foals

View Poll Results: Are you pro-slaughter
I am pro-slaughter 161 66.53%
I am anti-slaughter 69 28.51%
I don't know yet 12 4.96%
Voters: 242. You may not vote on this poll

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    03-05-2012, 02:55 PM
  #441
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
I won't watch the video b/c it might upset me. Just can't handle it. But, I myself prefer objective evidence....it tends to lend to the truth.
That video excludes the harsher parts of the death the animals recieve BUT I would suggest you watch it because it does have a lot of useful information about the status of the vets on site and Dr. Temple Grandin who as I stated, sets the standard for slaughter makes some outstanding points. And in my opinion if anyone in the world would have a reason to be pro-slaughter it would be her. It is her job to regulate this. She is THEE authority on the matter for the US and other countries...so it's worth the watch just based on that.

Here is her site:
Temple Grandin's Web Page
     
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    03-05-2012, 08:48 PM
  #442
Foal
LOL Herdbound is a vegetarian because she doesn't want to "Smell" like a predator, bet she also pratices the oxymoron training "Natural Horsemanship" because after all she is no longer a "Predator" because she abstains from meat. So funny and far off from reality. Humans are predators whether we eat meat or veggies. It's in our DNA/natures we cannot xtract ourselves from that. Believing that you are not a predator because you abstain from meat is about the same as Believing the statement "Natural Horsemanship". Natural Horsemanship is an oxymoron, (a contradictory statement) this is because it is not and never will be "Natural" for horses, (prey animals) to be around humans (predators) nor are they anatomically designed to carry weight. This is ALL a "Made-up" fake world that humans try hard to make real. Does Herdbound also refrain from strapping Dead cows/pigs/sheep on her feet, (boots and shoes,) herself (belts, gloves and jackets) and her horses (tack)? Keep that "Fantasy" goin' girl ! Kevin is real, Real Funny, with a healthy view of his involvement with the animals in his care, that he has brought into and takes out of this world. OH and "Cherie" there is a herd of over 300 Belgian and crosses, horses just North of Dawson Creek BC on South Peace stock Farms. These horses are bred and sold specifically for the Horse Meat industry. This is not the only farm like this in Canada. Guess what happens to the young horses on "Bucking Horse" farms that don't Want To buck??? Packing plants in Alta and Sask make it VERY easy for these breeders with herds of several hundred horses, to get rid of them when needed. This is a sad but real industry in Canada.
     
    03-05-2012, 09:27 PM
  #443
Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Ride    
LOL Herdbound is a vegetarian because she doesn't want to "Smell" like a predator, bet she also pratices the oxymoron training "Natural Horsemanship" because after all she is no longer a "Predator" because she abstains from meat. So funny and far off from reality. Humans are predators whether we eat meat or veggies. It's in our DNA/natures we cannot xtract ourselves from that. Believing that you are not a predator because you abstain from meat is about the same as Believing the statement "Natural Horsemanship". Natural Horsemanship is an oxymoron, (a contradictory statement) this is because it is not and never will be "Natural" for horses, (prey animals) to be around humans (predators) nor are they anatomically designed to carry weight. This is ALL a "Made-up" fake world that humans try hard to make real. Does Herdbound also refrain from strapping Dead cows/pigs/sheep on her feet, (boots and shoes,) herself (belts, gloves and jackets) and her horses (tack)? Keep that "Fantasy" goin' girl ! Kevin is real, Real Funny, with a healthy view of his involvement with the animals in his care, that he has brought into and takes out of this world. OH and "Cherie" there is a herd of over 300 Belgian and crosses, horses just North of Dawson Creek BC on South Peace stock Farms. These horses are bred and sold specifically for the Horse Meat industry. This is not the only farm like this in Canada. Guess what happens to the young horses on "Bucking Horse" farms that don't Want To buck??? Packing plants in Alta and Sask make it VERY easy for these breeders with herds of several hundred horses, to get rid of them when needed. This is a sad but real industry in Canada.
Whatever Herdbounds's choice for her method of horsemanship, it is a bit condescending to offer a snide commentary on same..as it is, after all, HER choice..
As to eating and not smelling like a predictor..that actually has scientific merit. What you eat DOES affect what your scent is. What we eat attracts- OR - repels- mosquitoes, bees, etc,. And yes- predators, or makes us more attractive (acceptable) to prey animals.. their senses are far more astute than ours could ever be. Some study on this might be helpful to you.
As for Natural Horsemanship not being Natural-- tell that to the Native Americans- who have that ability SO unequivocally mastered compared to the rest of us..
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    03-05-2012, 09:38 PM
  #444
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
Would you care to take a guess at what Tom dorrances stance on horse slaughter was? Or Ray Hunts? I know because I asked.
I wouldn't care what their stance was on this Kevin. I admire them BOTH A LOT but I don't admire them so much that I would change my opinion because theirs happens to be different than mine.
     
    03-05-2012, 09:56 PM
  #445
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Ride    
LOL Herdbound is a vegetarian because she doesn't want to "Smell" like a predator, bet she also pratices the oxymoron training "Natural Horsemanship" because after all she is no longer a "Predator" because she abstains from meat. So funny and far off from reality. Humans are predators whether we eat meat or veggies. It's in our DNA/natures we cannot xtract ourselves from that. Believing that you are not a predator because you abstain from meat is about the same as Believing the statement "Natural Horsemanship". Natural Horsemanship is an oxymoron, (a contradictory statement) this is because it is not and never will be "Natural" for horses, (prey animals) to be around humans (predators) nor are they anatomically designed to carry weight. This is ALL a "Made-up" fake world that humans try hard to make real. Does Herdbound also refrain from strapping Dead cows/pigs/sheep on her feet, (boots and shoes,) herself (belts, gloves and jackets) and her horses (tack)? Keep that "Fantasy" goin' girl ! Kevin is real, Real Funny, with a healthy view of his involvement with the animals in his care, that he has brought into and takes out of this world. OH and "Cherie" there is a herd of over 300 Belgian and crosses, horses just North of Dawson Creek BC on South Peace stock Farms. These horses are bred and sold specifically for the Horse Meat industry. This is not the only farm like this in Canada. Guess what happens to the young horses on "Bucking Horse" farms that don't Want To buck??? Packing plants in Alta and Sask make it VERY easy for these breeders with herds of several hundred horses, to get rid of them when needed. This is a sad but real industry in Canada.
I have NEVER said I practiced Natural Horsemanship...because I don't believe that exists. That is like saying voluntary slavery. Because natural horsemanship would be to set your horse free and hope that maybe someday you might catch a glimpse of it doing what it is naturally supposed to do...graze, sleep, mate, reproduce & die. I posted that link because I want you to see that the worlds undisputed expert on humane slaughter says their is an issue in these plants with them being slaughtered correctly. She admits it...why is it so hard for a person to do this act correctly? There are means by which an animal can quickly be put down...that is what I wonder. Why on earth do they continually thumb their noses at doing it humanely even after they have been told caught over and over. I wish they would actually do more than slap these people on the wrists and I LOVE Dr. Grandin's idea about third party auditing via camera surveillance...transparency is very important to show that the animals are humanely put down.

As far as your theory that humans are predators I am assuming you are saying we are carnivorous or omnivorous? We are more designed like herbivores than carnivores or omnivores. Our teeth, saliva, stomach acid, intestines are more similar to plant eaters than meat eaters. Fossil records show that our ancestors were exclusively vegetarian. If you know anything about the Bible the very first diet set up for man...referred to as "The Genesis Diet" was made up strictly of plants. Our jaws are made to grind; carnivores are not. Our jaws have molars like herbivores; carnivores do not. But I am not here to debate my diet or be attacked for my personal choices. I have chosen to be a vegetarian...soooo what? I also don't eat refined sugar...white bread...or drink soda...what does that have to do with anything other than the fact I choose to take care of my body.
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    03-05-2012, 10:11 PM
  #446
Weanling
I tried to find where in this thread the slaughtering of foals was mentioned. As it stands now it is illegal to slaughter a horse less than 6 months of age. Yes. But just so you know if you have any Cordovan Leather furniture in your home you are sitting on the skin of foals that come out of the Promarin Mares & Nurse Mare foals. They are often clubbed to death shortly after birth and then skinned so we can have nice soft couches. Seems legit...right. That is humane & ethical too I assume? I mean we would never "farm" horses like that in America?
     
    03-05-2012, 10:51 PM
  #447
Green Broke
It's patently disgusting..
I never wanted anything leather in my house- and now-- even more so.
     
    03-05-2012, 10:57 PM
  #448
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by Druydess    
As for Natural Horsemanship not being Natural-- tell that to the Native Americans- who have that ability SO unequivocally mastered compared to the rest of us..
I've known a lot of Indians and there are no higher percentage of good horseman than in the rest of us. The ones I've known that were good with horses were sure enough cowboys and sent a fair share of horses to the meat plant or cut them up for personal use. As far as the indians of old I think you would consider them cruel in thier application of horsemanship. The indians you're talking about that have the magical connection to all horses only exist in Hollywood.
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    03-05-2012, 11:12 PM
  #449
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by herdbound    
That video excludes the harsher parts of the death the animals recieve BUT I would suggest you watch it because it does have a lot of useful information about the status of the vets on site and Dr. Temple Grandin who as I stated, sets the standard for slaughter makes some outstanding points. And in my opinion if anyone in the world would have a reason to be pro-slaughter it would be her. It is her job to regulate this. She is THEE authority on the matter for the US and other countries...so it's worth the watch just based on that.

Here is her site:
Temple Grandin's Web Page
Okay, I got the courage to watch it, I can't say I am glad I did. It was beyond upsetting. It is also indisputable objective evidence, thanks for posting.
Wow, that is horrid.
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    03-05-2012, 11:23 PM
  #450
Weanling
I don't think you can go any higher than Dr. Temple Grandin saying yes there is a problem and yes it does need to be fixed. She is THEE authority on this matter in the US. And she is also pro-slaughter I am assuming...I could be wrong but it seems as if she is pro-ethical slaughter.
     

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