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Are you pro-slaughter? POLL

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    View Poll Results: Are you pro-slaughter
    I am pro-slaughter 161 66.53%
    I am anti-slaughter 69 28.51%
    I don't know yet 12 4.96%
    Voters: 242. You may not vote on this poll

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        03-05-2012, 11:37 PM
      #451
    Trained
    Well, herd, tech being what it currently is and cheaper than it ever has been, any position resisting the installation of 24/7 cameras for third party audit is indefensible.
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        03-06-2012, 07:22 PM
      #452
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    I've known a lot of Indians and there are no higher percentage of good horseman than in the rest of us. The ones I've known that were good with horses were sure enough cowboys and sent a fair share of horses to the meat plant or cut them up for personal use. As far as the indians of old I think you would consider them cruel in thier application of horsemanship. The indians you're talking about that have the magical connection to all horses only exist in Hollywood.
    I guess we have a different source of Native Americans.. I have not seen this in the NA's I know..
    As we have different cultures- so do they, and as a result- different approaches to their environment and livelihoods. The Comanche and Seminole would have vastly different mores and culture, as would the Iroquois, Chemakum, Nootka, and Hopi's.. They can not be painted with the same brush. Their respective cultures and societies are vastly different and imbued with richness and subtleties we can only hope to understand.
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        03-06-2012, 07:52 PM
      #453
    Trained
    I wasn't rying to paint them with any brush. You were making a generalization that was not true. There are many indians that don't even like horses and you made it sound like they all have the "special touch".
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        03-06-2012, 07:56 PM
      #454
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herdbound    
    This is a video done by the news...not some fanatical group...just the news reporting on horse slaughter in canada...

    Inhumane Slaughter Of Horses In Canada! - YouTube
    I was just wondering if any of the pro-slaughter supporters watched this and what their take on Dr. Temple Grandin's stance on the subject of how the plants do not seem to abide by the standards they "claim" exist while she visits versus when they are left alone?
         
        03-06-2012, 08:01 PM
      #455
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by goneriding    
    Dope them up and ride them then send them to slaughter? Wow, what jackasses. I have a horse in retirement, she can no longer be ridden comfortably. I feed and care for her because she has earned her retirement. She has given me a lot. I am not going to just discard her. Gosh....
    What you fail to understand is that some see horses as not much more than a used car that they are putting more money into than they feel it is worth so off it goes while it still has some monetary value. Doesn't matter that the "quick end" may be many painful, terror filled days away. Out of sight, out of mind.
    No more feelings than the used car sold for scrap.
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        03-06-2012, 08:12 PM
      #456
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herdbound    
    I was just wondering if any of the pro-slaughter supporters watched this and what their take on Dr. Temple Grandin's stance on the subject of how the plants do not seem to abide by the standards they "claim" exist while she visits versus when they are left alone?
    The federal inspectors should be reprimanded or fired but I didn't see much in the video that I thought was terrible. The cattle prod was probably out of batteries (they usually are) or the horse would have jumped forward. Shooting the horse three times didn't bother me either because the horse was dead within a minute.
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        03-06-2012, 08:14 PM
      #457
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    I wasn't rying to paint them with any brush. You were making a generalization that was not true. There are many indians that don't even like horses and you made it sound like they all have the "special touch".
    No Kevin- I really wasn't. NA's do have a sense of the horse that we don't simply because they have been a necessary (read necessary please) part of their culture for far longer..
    I'm sure some hate horses, just as some "Caucasians" do. Of course there are tribes who do not have the horse "mentality." but there are many that do. I have a different experience with the Natives I suppose, as I have seen them exhibit patience and a sense of training unlike the "standard."
    We have different experiences- that's all.
    With hundreds of surviving tribes in this land, that's not all that surprising.
         
        03-06-2012, 08:18 PM
      #458
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by natisha    
    What you fail to understand is that some see horses as not much more than a used car that they are putting more money into than they feel it is worth so off it goes while it still has some monetary value. Doesn't matter that the "quick end" may be many painful, terror filled days away. Out of sight, out of mind.
    No more feelings than the used car sold for scrap.
    Very true- and that's the danger of looking at a living thing as a "commodity."
         
        03-06-2012, 08:19 PM
      #459
    Weanling
    Anyone who works with or around horses KNOWS how sensitive they are. They are amazing creatures. I think it is no miracle that they make such wonderful therapeutic animals for special needs children, victimized women, and ect. The saddest part of this story to me at least, is we take these highly sensitive creatures and place them in the most excruciatingly stressful situations BEFORE they are non-humanely tortured to death. Not always but often enough for it to have received international attention. They are so much more than just an asset. They are amazing...a living, breathing work of art that embodies the properties of strength, grace & power. To this day, everytime I see them running free across a field, hearing the thunder of their hooves, watching them toss their heads in reckless abandonment...I get goosebumps & chills. They are so powerful, so beautiful and their only weakness in the entire world...their Achilles heal...is their alliance with man. They depend on us and trust us far more than we are worthy of.
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        03-06-2012, 09:00 PM
      #460
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herdbound
    This is a video done by the news...not some fanatical group...just the news reporting on horse slaughter in canada...
    News Video???

    Not posted by some fanatical group???

    Really??? Try one fanatical nut-case (Michael something) that carefully takes thousands of video clips, cuts and splices them to show what he wants to show, mis-labels them and posts them on U-Tube.

    Even his own website (that is shut down by legal fights and slander suits most of the time) calls his videos UNFAIR AND BIASED.

    MoxNewsDotCom's Channel - YouTube

    Here is a link to his u-tube channel - also labeled UNFAIR AND BIASED by him, (which is also shut down most of the time) or you can just follow the link at the end of the video you so wisely posted as a legitimate 'news documentary'. [The guy is also asking for subscribers to pay him to make more 'unfair and biased' videos so he can post more of them.]

    Like all of the other videos I have seen posted by the anti-slaughter fanatical nut-cases, his are edited to show and say what he wants them to show. They take a clip of a legitimate news show and then insert video taken somewhere else -- often times years earlier and sometimes in a different country. Then, take clips of Dr. Grandin (who I also greatly respect) while she is talking about a cattle (not horse) plant that she helped design. This is how the nuts posted video like the ones showing the horse being jabbed repeatedly in the spine with a puntela (I think it is called) in a small-town local unregulated slaughter house in either Mexico or Central America.

    I know of no one that is pro-slaughter that wants horses to suffer. We also want it to be regulated and to be right here in the US. But, unlike YOU, we also don't want horses to suffer a much worse death by being neglected and starved until they die after months of misery.

    We only want LOCAL well-regulated processing plants with video monitoring and careful scrutiny of all aspects of it. This is not impossible and would be much easier to do if the nut-cases would just let new plants be built here. They should all work toward BETTER processing plants here and not work so hard to keep them all in Mexico and Canada, where they obviously cannot be regulated as well.

    Instead of fighting the opening of new plants, all of the anti-slaughter nuts should be trying help get them open and should want to help get a decent dollar value in all lower end horses so they will not be shut up in some back pasture and starved to death. Once again people would buy prospects and most cheap horses would be better fed and treated simply because they had greater value.
         

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