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View Poll Results: Are you pro-slaughter
I am pro-slaughter 161 66.53%
I am anti-slaughter 69 28.51%
I don't know yet 12 4.96%
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post #471 of 516 Old 03-06-2012, 11:14 PM
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My whole point in my last post was in reference to your "Native Americans and their horses have special bonds"..That is not true, at all...

I too said that all animals should be respected and that was our beliefs.. Then you go and bring up something about digging roots and leaving holes?? Where does that fall in your argument in trying to make a point about a Native American and their horse having a bond...

A horse is an animal. Animals are used...Praise the "Great Spirit" when used, but that's the truth.
Because no matter how little the act upon the earth or one of it's inhabitants it was done in REVERENCE with RESPECT. As for special bonds with their horses...lol...the NA women were often jealous of the ponies of their husbands...because they would even come inside to sleep. The men spent more time with them than they did their women. A horse that was used to do battle was decorated just as it's rider...and they were both prepared to die as great warriors...together. They were very important to the NA...they were thought to be a gift from The Great Spirit...and I don't know any practicing NA that would think of a gift from Great Spirit as just some hum drum animal. I found everything you said to be contradictory and offensive to NA beliefs and philosophy.
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post #472 of 516 Old 03-06-2012, 11:22 PM
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Laugh..Honestly, you can think what you want. I know what I was taught and what was passed down to me..Not something I read off of the internet... The Native Americans lived a hard, hard life that most of us today cannot even imagine..It wasn't a fairy tale like most believe it to be..This isn't an argument about what the NA life style was or still is.. You brought up that NAs had a special bond with their horse, that's simply not true..

AND, if you REALLY want to get into it. Native Americans didn't even HAVE horses until they were brought over by the Spanish..They weren't started and just *poofed* into the Native American lifestyle..The Spanish brought over horses, a good number were let loose and welcome the "Mustang"...

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Well, I hate to pop ya'lls bubbles, but I too am very familiar with Indians. I'm married to one. All of my in-laws are Indians. Our family reunions look more like a Pow Wow.

I also lived for 30 years between the Southern Ute and Navajo Reservations. Many were friends of mine. I know many Sioux and used to train Arabian horses for one from Hyannis in northern Nebraska.

So, I am very familiar with Indians from several tribes. Many (not all) of the Reservation Indians had VERY CRUDE if not abusive training techniques. It was common to tie one out on a long rope (usually by one front foot) and not feed or water it until it was submissive and came to the human for water. They ate the ones that would not submit.

They sometimes rode horses to death. Literally, they rode a horse until it collapsed and then they got another. When I went to the Navajo settlements on the back-roads (where I used to buy blankets and pawn jewelry), you never saw a horse that was not a bag of bones, oftentimes with big saddle and harness sores. The Indians I saw with horses years ago were brutal. There was no other way to describe them.

Now, to more recent history: several tribes are interested in setting up horse processing facilities. Several western Tribal Leaders spoke at the first 'Summit Of The Horse' held in Nevada a year ago. They want a way to 'get rid' of the glut of thousands of mustangs that are over-running their range-land to the point that they have had to sell many of their cattle and sheep. They are also looking at horse processing facilities to bring jobs to their remote reservations. Since they are "Sovereign Nations" they will be able to do this if they are allowed to ship the meat and sell it. As I understand it, they are looking at Asian markets now.

I don't know about you, but, again, I would rather have the processing plants right here on the 'sovereign' old US soil.

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post #474 of 516 Old 03-06-2012, 11:26 PM
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I think you're confusing the indians with the A-rabs! It sure must have torn up those Cherokees to plow the ground and plant cotton all over the southern U.S.

This comment was in response to Herbound's comment above.

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post #475 of 516 Old 03-06-2012, 11:30 PM
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Well, I hate to pop ya'lls bubbles, but I too am very familiar with Indians. I'm married to one. All of my in-laws are Indians. Our family reunions look more like a Pow Wow.

I also lived for 30 years between the Southern Ute and Navajo Reservations. Many were friends of mine. I know many Sioux and used to train Arabian horses for one from Hyannis in northern Nebraska.

So, I am very familiar with Indians from several tribes. Many (not all) of the Reservation Indians had VERY CRUDE if not abusive training techniques. It was common to tie one out on a long rope (usually by one front foot) and not feed or water it until it was submissive and came to the human for water. They ate the ones that would not submit.

They sometimes rode horses to death. Literally, they rode a horse until it collapsed and then they got another. When I went to the Navajo settlements on the back-roads (where I used to buy blankets and pawn jewelry), you never saw a horse that was not a bag of bones, oftentimes with big saddle and harness sores. The Indians I saw with horses years ago were brutal. There was no other way to describe them.

Now, to more recent history: several tribes are interested in setting up horse processing facilities. Several western Tribal Leaders spoke at the first 'Summit Of The Horse' held in Nevada a year ago. They want a way to 'get rid' of the glut of thousands of mustangs that are over-running their range-land to the point that they have had to sell many of their cattle and sheep. They are also looking at horse processing facilities to bring jobs to their remote reservations. Since they are "Sovereign Nations" they will be able to do this if they are allowed to ship the meat and sell it. As I understand it, they are looking at Asian markets now.

I don't know about you, but, again, I would rather have the processing plants right here on the 'sovereign' old US soil.
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post #476 of 516 Old 03-06-2012, 11:33 PM
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I swore to myself I would stay out of this thread, but...

A-FREAKING-MEN!

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #477 of 516 Old 03-06-2012, 11:34 PM
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If you think all Indians are wonderful horsemen, google the 'Omak Suicide Race' where several horses and a rider or two are killed every year.

And Ya! I wasn't going to get back in it either -- but them someone posts an out and out untruth and I get suckered back in.

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LOL SH, as soon as I saw you had replied I said "I know she said AMEN!"..

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post #479 of 516 Old 03-06-2012, 11:37 PM
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Well, at least ... I THINK we have found something everyone can agree on....slaughter houses should be (and, from the politics of it...look as if they soon will be back) in the US (not reservations) where they can be regulated and monitored. If, that is, they find the money to properly fund inspections - maybe they can take a little from federally funded tatoo removal, or the like.
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post #480 of 516 Old 03-06-2012, 11:38 PM
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No but I will leave you with a prayer from my people.

Aho Mitakuye Oyasin
All my relations. I honor you in this circle of life with me today. I am grateful for this opportunity to acknowledge you in this prayer....
To the Creator, for the ultimate gift of life, I thank you.
To the mineral nation that has built and maintained my bones and all foundations of life experience, I thank you.
To the plant nation that sustains my organs and body and gives me healing herbs for sickness, I thank you.
To the animal nation that feeds me from your own flesh and offers your loyal companionship in this walk of life, I thank you.
To the human nation that shares my path as a soul upon the sacred wheel of Earthly life, I thank you.
To the Spirit nation that guides me invisibly through the ups and downs of life and for carrying the torch of light through the Ages, I thank you.
To the Four Winds of Change and Growth, I thank you.
You are all my relations, my relatives, without whom I would not live. We are in the circle of life together, co-existing, co-dependent, co-creating our destiny. One, not more important than the other. One nation evolving from the other and yet each dependent upon the one above and the one below. All of us a part of the Great Mystery.


Thank you for this Life.

As far as the horses are concerned. I can only pray that a sensible, and humane solution can be found. And that the heart of man be pure and clean in his judgements concerning their welfare. That his heart not be persuaded by greed, laziness or other evil devices that motivate him to turn the other cheek and allow them to suffer.
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