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post #491 of 516 Old 03-08-2012, 10:53 PM
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I just want to point out to that these are artistic renditions and quite honestly they were probably painted during a period in history where Native Americans were being portrayed as "heathen savages"...and they may be a figment of the artists imagination from tales of these horrid primitive people being told from the lips of people who were responsible for the destruction, round up, and transplantation of these mighty nations of people. I think that is why I was offended by the posts referring to NA's earlier...I don't like when they are portrayed like that if you have any idea of the fundamentals of their spirituality and their respect for Great Spirit or Wankan Tanka and all the creation they feel are a gift...you wouldn't say those things...
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post #492 of 516 Old 03-09-2012, 12:47 PM
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I just want to point out to that these are artistic renditions and quite honestly they were probably painted during a period in history where Native Americans were being portrayed as "heathen savages"...and they may be a figment of the artists imagination from tales of these horrid primitive people being told from the lips of people who were responsible for the destruction, round up, and transplantation of these mighty nations of people. I think that is why I was offended by the posts referring to NA's earlier...I don't like when they are portrayed like that if you have any idea of the fundamentals of their spirituality and their respect for Great Spirit or Wankan Tanka and all the creation they feel are a gift...you wouldn't say those things...
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I guess they weren't "Heathen Savages" when they scalped people? Or when they kidnapped and stole women to rape, beat, and kill them to hang their hair on their chests? What about war parties that went out killing for fun? You saying that artists are just drawing or painting figments of their imagination is exactly that, you're imagination..Native Americans weren't all "we love everything, lets be nice to everything" pray to the Great Spirit" like you are making all of them out to be...There MAY have been a FEW tribes like that and they did respect everything, but also remember that there were MANY tribes who weren't like that...You've got your head wrapped up in what YOU want Native Americans to be like and not facing reality..





Now, I'm not saying that Native Americans were all bad, that's not true...But they darn sure weren't all cupcakes, rainbows, and spechul bonds..

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Lets add into that Drum... If having that great spiritual belief makes the Natives have that uber speshul bond, what about all the other religions? You have super religious "lets not hurt anything" factions of many, many religions... does that give them that high special bond with horses? No. The Natives have no more of a special "bond" with horses than any other type of people out there.
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"BUT I am also offended by the way the NA nations are treated and the way they have been forced to live in absolute poverty themselves. The injustice done to them, the housing and employment situations, the outrageously high suicide rates on the reservations bother me just about as much as the injustice done to the horses. Pine Ridge in South Dakota is a great example of this...again want more info google it...."

This is ABSOLUTELY Absurd. No one is forced to live in those conditions, actually I find that the government's involvement has encouraged their poverty! Hello! Free health care, dental, land, handouts, college education, and on and on! My family and I qualify for all of those benefits and we refuse to take them. MY ancestors walked the trail of tears (Great Great grandmother was an Chief's daughter), great grandmother Apache, one Great grandmother and her rocking chair was traded to my great grandfather for a team of mules, and I can list many others. I am a mutt, but all of my ancestors were given land and each of them sold it, got off the reservations and lived elsewhere. NOT DEPENDING ON THE "WHITE" GOVERNMENT.

As for the fairy tale of them being gentle with horses and the land... Lots of them were farmers, hard core horse trainers mentioned before, I wouldn't let some of my family within 100 yards of my own.
Yes they do have a "way" to them... see picture of me with my grandfather, he's mostly Cherokee and Apache. He can hunt, track, grow just about anything and has a deep respect for nature. But if the NA's had never seen anyone riding on a horse they would have just shot them, sliced their throats, and ate them. Being thankful for the meat, not wasting it in the ground because it was their purdy pony. They used every inch of their bodies, like slaughter does now, and nothing went to waste.

Geez, this is getting loopier by the second.

Me with my mostly Native American grandfather, who loves horses, but has no way with them AT ALL. But he did teach me how to fish.

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YES FlyGap!!!

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I bet it took you a good bit to search all over Google and Youtube to come up with that...Please, just stop..You're just making yourself look...something I'd get in trouble for saying..I'm not going to keep arguing with you because you're just dragging me father off the deep end with you.

Just face it, as much as you want to believe it's all like a storybook and everyone holds hands and loves the little animals, it's clearly not true in all cases.. YOU weren't there, you don't know, you have no facts..All you have is some white guy on a stage talking about today's Native Americans and a a few poems you found on Google...But please, next time you get in your headdress and time machine, stop by and ask my ancestors if they have speshul bond with their horses..

Another thing - You claim to be all about Native American and believing in the Great Spirit and that's who you worship....yet you have an Islamic quote as your signature? Who are you trying to fool today? Us or yourself?

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I found a couple of accounts of the connection Indians have with the earth.

When NASA was preparing for the Apollo project, they did
Some training on a Navajo Indian reservation.
One day, a Navajo elder and his son were herding sheep and
Came across the space crew. The old man, who spoke only Navajo,
Asked a question which his son translated.
"What are these guys in the big suits doing?"
A member of the crew said they were practicing for their trip
To the moon. The old man got all excited and asked if he could
Send a message to the moon with the astronauts.
Recognizing a promotional opportunity for the spin-doctors,
The NASA folks found a tape recorder.
After the old man recorded his message, they asked the son
To translate it. He refused.
So the NASA reps brought the tape to the reservation where
The rest of the tribe listened and laughed but refused to
Translate the elder's message to the moon.
Finally, the NASA crew called in an official government
Translator. He reported that the moon message said, "Watch
Out for these guys; they have come to steal your land."



Two cowboys come upon an Indian lying on his stomach with
His ear to the ground.
One of the cowboys stops and says to the other, "You see
That Indian?"
"Yeah," says the other cowboy.
"Look," says the first one, "he's listening to the ground.
He can hear things for miles in any direction."
Just then the Indian looks up. "Covered wagon," he says,
"about two miles away. Have two horses, one brown, one white.
Man, woman, child, household effects in wagon."
"Incredible!" says the cowboy to his friend. "This Indian
Knows how far away they are, how many horses, what color they
Are, who is in the wagon, and what is in the wagon. Amazing!"
The Indian looks up and says, "Ran over me about a
Half hour ago."
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Funny Kevin- heard the first one before.. :) Very true..

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