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Are you pro-slaughter? POLL

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    View Poll Results: Are you pro-slaughter
    I am pro-slaughter 161 66.53%
    I am anti-slaughter 69 28.51%
    I don't know yet 12 4.96%
    Voters: 242. You may not vote on this poll

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        03-09-2012, 04:10 PM
      #501
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
    I guess they weren't "Heathen Savages" when they scalped people? Or when they kidnapped and stole women to rape, beat, and kill them to hang their hair on their chests? What about war parties that went out killing for fun? You saying that artists are just drawing or painting figments of their imagination is exactly that, you're imagination..Native Americans weren't all "we love everything, lets be nice to everything" pray to the Great Spirit" like you are making all of them out to be...There MAY have been a FEW tribes like that and they did respect everything, but also remember that there were MANY tribes who weren't like that...You've got your head wrapped up in what YOU want Native Americans to be like and not facing reality..


    Now, I'm not saying that Native Americans were all bad, that's not true...But they darn sure weren't all cupcakes, rainbows, and spechul bonds..
    I don't believe anyone was saying all NA's were rainbows and unicorns..
    We all have personal experiences that differ, which makes our observations unique. One's own experience isn't arguable. We have seen what we have seen. It has nothing to do with what we'd like to see. I suppose I have been very fortunate to witness some higher level of humanity.
    Respecting life as a rule does not preclude swift and deadly retaliation when provoked.
    As to the rape, scalping and other mayhem- the Caucasians were pretty good at that.. they became quite inventive during the Inquisition, so they must also be Heathen Savages.
    Brutality is uniquely, and disturbingly, human. That doesn't mean the higher forms of compassion and understanding hasn't happened in the past or isn't possible in the future.
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        03-09-2012, 04:42 PM
      #502
    Weanling
    Actually drumrunner I had that video for a long time saved it was in my Indian Country Today Media Network on my FB...this thread is about horse slaughter...this is getting too personal for me. The injustice I feel that has been done to the NA people, to look at their children living in sqauler and filth...well yeah it bothers me. I guess that is just me. Someone made a comment about how far fetched that was...its very real. They have been served a tremendous injustice. This isn't a NA injustice thread though so I would hope that we could drop the whole subject entirely to me it has nothing to do with the price of Tea in China.
         
        03-09-2012, 04:44 PM
      #503
    Green Broke
    Druydess, the only thing I'm trying to point out to herdbound is that all Native Americans weren't and aren't the great and kind people she's trying to make the whole race out to be..There are all levels of good and even evil in ALL humans. No one person is perfect and only does all the right things all of the time...We all make mistakes, bad decisions, and bad choices...Herdbound is trying to make a point and in the process of trying to make all Native Americans seem like great and kid people, she's contradicting herself and taking it off the deep end...This WHOLE argument started with her saying only Native Americans have a special bond with their horses.

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    Originally Posted by Druydess    
    As for Natural Horsemanship not being Natural-- tell that to the Native Americans- who have that ability SO unequivocally mastered compared to the rest of us..
    This is FALSE. Not all NativeAmericans even LIKE horses, much less have a special bond with them..You are trying to fit all of one race into one group and it's not so..

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Druydess    
    We all have personal experiences that differ, which makes our observations unique. One's own experience isn't arguable. We have seen what we have seen. It has nothing to do with what we'd like to see. I suppose I have been very fortunate to witness some higher level of humanity.
    Really? Well I have witnessed the lower level of humanity..Once you've been in those situations, you can preach to me about how I should react to someone saying that MY ancestors are all kind and great people..I know for a fact that they all weren't..and that not all Native Americans have this huge heart of gold and live by those "morals" herdbound posted..

    How can you both argue with people who are DIRECTLY involved, like Cherie and FlyGap, and tell them that they aren't right in what they say? They are directly involved in those NA lifestyles..You and herdbound are making false assumptions then wanting to argue about it.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    I've known a lot of Indians and there are no higher percentage of good horseman than in the rest of us. The ones I've known that were good with horses were sure enough cowboys and sent a fair share of horses to the meat plant or cut them up for personal use. As far as the indians of old I think you would consider them cruel in thier application of horsemanship. The indians you're talking about that have the magical connection to all horses only exist in Hollywood.
    Completely true statement..

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Druydess    
    They can not be painted with the same brush. Their respective cultures and societies are vastly different and imbued with richness and subtleties we can only hope to understand.
    You even said it here yourself...All of the Native American cultures are vastly different.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herdbound    
    the NA women were often jealous of the ponies of their husbands...because they would even come inside to sleep. The men spent more time with them than they did their women. A horse that was used to do battle was decorated just as it's rider...and they were both prepared to die as great warriors...together..
    I'm sorry, were you there? Did you speak with those wives? The ones who were considered as the only ones who worked and made the tribe work? The guys were just hunters or warriors...The NA women had the hardest lives of all.

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    Originally Posted by herdbound    
    No but I will leave you with a prayer from my people.
    She really goes off the deep end in this post...But does she leave? Nope..right back with more false jibberish..

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Druydess    
    Thank you Herdbound-- this exactly illustrates the difference in the many tribes I alluded to earlier..
    What about the other tribes that do not feel that way? That murder for fun? Scalp women and children? So on and so forth..

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herdbound    
    I just want to point out to that these are artistic renditions and quite honestly they were probably painted during a period in history where Native Americans were being portrayed as "heathen savages"...and they may be a figment of the artists imagination from tales of these horrid primitive people being told from the lips of people who were responsible for the destruction, round up, and transplantation of these mighty nations of people. I think that is why I was offended by the posts referring to NA's earlier...I don't like when they are portrayed like that if you have any idea of the fundamentals of their spirituality and their respect for Great Spirit or Wankan Tanka and all the creation they feel are a gift...you wouldn't say those things...
    I forgot, she got in her time machine and traveled there to ask the artists what they thought of their scene..This is also coming from the same girl who worships the Great Spirit and Wankan Tanka but has an Islamic quote as her signature..

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herdbound    
    Are you wasichu?
    Now that it's not even about horses anymore, she calls everyone who disagress with her greedy a**holes..



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herdbound    
    ...this thread is about horse slaughter...this is getting too personal for me. This isn't a NA injustice thread though so I would hope that we could drop the whole subject entirely to me it has nothing to do with the price of Tea in China.
    You two are the members who bought Native Americans into the whole thread to begin with.
         
        03-09-2012, 04:49 PM
      #504
    Green Broke
    It's not just you Herdbound. Injustice is never right. The thread should focus on the original topic. Perhaps if we address only pertinent posts- we'll get back on track.
         
        03-09-2012, 05:00 PM
      #505
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by herdbound    
    The injustice I feel that has been done to the NA people, to look at their children living in sqauler and filth...well yeah it bothers me. I guess that is just me. Someone made a comment about how far fetched that was...its very real. They have been served a tremendous injustice. This isn't a NA injustice thread though so I would hope that we could drop the whole subject entirely to me it has nothing to do with the price of Tea in China.
    The federal government must do a real good job camoflaging the fences and razor wire on the reservations. I didn't see any so I assumed that they were free to leave and live elsewhere. Last I knew indians could get accepted to just about any college they wanted and the government would pay for it. The fact that many decide to stay drunk, ignorant and poor on the "rez" is not the fault of the "white" man. Being thier own nations indian tribes can make laws that benefit thier people and create good jobs or they can build casinos and smoke shops. The crualest thing the federal government ever did to the indians was to pay them money for doing nothing. If the government wanted to help them they would diband the BIA and disolve the reservation system.
         
        03-09-2012, 05:15 PM
      #506
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    The federal government must do a real good job camoflaging the fences and razor wire on the reservations. I didn't see any so I assumed that they were free to leave and live elsewhere. Last I knew indians could get accepted to just about any college they wanted and the government would pay for it. The fact that many decide to stay drunk, ignorant and poor on the "rez" is not the fault of the "white" man. Being thier own nations indian tribes can make laws that benefit thier people and create good jobs or they can build casinos and smoke shops. The crualest thing the federal government ever did to the indians was to pay them money for doing nothing. If the government wanted to help them they would diband the BIA and disolve the reservation system.
    The choice for them is to leave what little land they still claim in America and conform to the rest of the US to survive. They have been offered millions of dollars for their shares of that land...they could all be millionaires if they truly wanted to be...but hanging onto what they still have rights to is more important than the money. And that will be the last thing I say about them. They have the choice to leave true...but do you realize that IF the NA's were forced off the reservations and their lands became part of the US...it dies. They no longer have anything. I again say I do not want to debate this...so that is my final comment on the matter.
         
        03-09-2012, 05:18 PM
      #507
    Trained
    Then they'd just have to be americans like the rest of us. Wouldn't that be awful!
         
        03-09-2012, 06:22 PM
      #508
    Yearling
    I think it is time for a glass of wine.....
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        03-09-2012, 06:29 PM
      #509
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by goneriding    
    I think it is time for a glass of wine.....
    a glass... Iv a straw in the bottle lol
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        03-09-2012, 06:49 PM
      #510
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by goneriding    
    I think it is time for a glass of wine.....
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Derry girl    
    a glass... Iv a straw in the bottle lol
    I think you're right!

    Definitely time for lightening up and enjoying the good things and lovely people life has to offer!
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