Druydess, the only thing I'm trying to point out to herdbound is that all Native Americans weren't and aren't the great and kind people she's trying to make the whole race out to be..There are all levels of good and even evil in ALL humans. No one person is perfect and only does all the right things all of the time...We all make mistakes, bad decisions, and bad choices...Herdbound is trying to make a point and in the process of trying to make all Native Americans seem like great and kid people, she's contradicting herself and taking it off the deep end...This WHOLE argument started with her saying only Native Americans have a special bond with their horses.
As for Natural Horsemanship not being Natural-- tell that to the Native Americans- who have that ability SO unequivocally mastered compared to the rest of us..
This is FALSE
. Not all NativeAmericans even LIKE horses, much less have a special bond with them..You are trying to fit all of one race into one group and it's not so..
We all have personal experiences that differ, which makes our observations unique. One's own experience isn't arguable. We have seen what we have seen. It has nothing to do with what we'd like to see. I suppose I have been very fortunate to witness some higher level of humanity.
Really? Well I have witnessed the lower level of humanity..Once you've been in those situations, you can preach to me about how I should react to someone saying that MY ancestors are all kind and great people..I know for a fact that they all weren't..and that not all Native Americans have this huge heart of gold and live by those "morals" herdbound posted..
How can you both argue with people who are DIRECTLY involved, like Cherie and FlyGap, and tell them that they aren't right in what they say? They are directly involved in those NA lifestyles..You and herdbound are making false assumptions then wanting to argue about it.
I've known a lot of Indians and there are no higher percentage of good horseman than in the rest of us. The ones I've known that were good with horses were sure enough cowboys and sent a fair share of horses to the meat plant or cut them up for personal use. As far as the indians of old I think you would consider them cruel in thier application of horsemanship. The indians you're talking about that have the magical connection to all horses only exist in Hollywood.
Completely true statement..
They can not be painted with the same brush. Their respective cultures and societies are vastly different and imbued with richness and subtleties we can only hope to understand.
You even said it here yourself...All of the Native American cultures are vastly different.
the NA women were often jealous of the ponies of their husbands...because they would even come inside to sleep. The men spent more time with them than they did their women. A horse that was used to do battle was decorated just as it's rider...and they were both prepared to die as great warriors...together..
I'm sorry, were you there? Did you speak with those wives? The ones who were considered as the only ones who worked and made the tribe work? The guys were just hunters or warriors...The NA women had the hardest lives of all.
No but I will leave you with a prayer from my people.
She really goes off the deep end in this post...But does she leave? Nope..right back with more false jibberish..
Thank you Herdbound-- this exactly illustrates the difference in the many tribes I alluded to earlier..
What about the other tribes that do not feel that way? That murder for fun? Scalp women and children? So on and so forth..
I just want to point out to that these are artistic renditions and quite honestly they were probably painted during a period in history where Native Americans were being portrayed as "heathen savages"...and they may be a figment of the artists imagination from tales of these horrid primitive people being told from the lips of people who were responsible for the destruction, round up, and transplantation of these mighty nations of people. I think that is why I was offended by the posts referring to NA's earlier...I don't like when they are portrayed like that if you have any idea of the fundamentals of their spirituality and their respect for Great Spirit or Wankan Tanka and all the creation they feel are a gift...you wouldn't say those things...
I forgot, she got in her time machine and traveled there to ask the artists what they thought of their scene..This is also coming from the same girl who worships the Great Spirit and Wankan Tanka but has an Islamic quote as her signature..
Now that it's not even about horses anymore, she calls everyone who disagress with her greedy a**holes..
...this thread is about horse slaughter...this is getting too personal for me. This isn't a NA injustice thread though so I would hope that we could drop the whole subject entirely to me it has nothing to do with the price of Tea in China.
You two are the members who bought Native Americans into the whole thread to begin with.