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View Poll Results: For or against regulated horse slaughter in the US?
For horse slaughter 9 69.23%
Against horse slaughter 4 30.77%
Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

 
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    06-21-2010, 09:53 AM
  #21
Weanling
Here's thing thing about the unborn foals: We have an overpopulation problem with horses right now, stemming from the constant breeding of mediocre or just plain crappy horses. Honestly, it's awful to say, but those foals do not NEED a chance at life. There are simply too many horses as it is.

Here's the thing with neglected horses: First of all the actual number is not tied to slaughter. As in, people are going to neglect and/or abuse horses no matter if they can throw them on a meat truck in the end or not. The key thing is; at least for the US, no slaughter plants only means that it's not happening in the US. What happens is, the horses usually go to an auction, sometimes private sale too, and end up on a truck to a country where there are slaughter plants. So when people want to get rid of a horse that they don't want to bother with selling, that they can't sell, and don't want to pay for euthanasia, that's a popular route for someone like that to take.

It's sad, but it still happens. The number of abandoned/neglected horses has not changed that much because if someone wants to get rid of an unwanted horse, and they don't want to spend money to do it, they can STILL send it off to slaughter.

We do need "sink" for horses, at least, until we get to a point where breeding is more conservative and responsible and population is in a better state - but that will likely not happen ever. But it should be as humane as possible, as I said before. The route to slaughter should be cost efficient but SAFE and comfortable for the horses. Their care at the facility however brief should be as low stress as possible and the horses should be comfortable. The actual deed should be quick, clean, and the horse should be kept as calm as possible.
     
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    06-21-2010, 11:58 AM
  #22
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
I do not see a pole. Was it deleted?

I think you are confused (or being snarky, not sure which). No one said the topic was not important. They are just telling you that this topic has been covered MANY times and you can probably get your answers easily by doing a search.
I AM confused about what snarky means. I didn't say the topic wasn't important. I knew that I could get the information I needed from other threads but I was hoping to get some pole numbers. I didn't get them in time and the pole has closed.
     
    06-24-2010, 01:47 PM
  #23
Weanling
I know that the demand for horses has fallen in the US, as some people lose jobs, etc, some are unable to pay for their animals, or the feed, (board, etc) and send horses to auction, where many are purchased and taken to slaughter.

I know that my horse could have ended up being slaughtered. We bought him three days before he was to be sent to auction. He's five, a registered, lovely QH. He was a little hand shy, but other than that, nothing was wrong with him. That makes my personal feelings on slaughter, obviously, biased to the negative.

I encourage you to visit this website. http://usesr.org/viewpage.php?page_id=6

and other websites, so you may form your own opinion.

(warning) the methods of slaughter discussed in that link, (the methods used in Kauffman and Ft. Worth, at least) are NOT humane. The USESR also holds that the idea of overpopulation of horses is a "nasty myth." which is interesting.

I will say I would be more inclined to be alright with "slaughter" if it wasn't slaughter. I believe euthanasia would be more agreeable.

I would compare it to us. If you were suffering, or had to die, would you choose to be lynched, or would you pick the lethal injection?
I find that a fair comparision, based on my knowledge of the ways horses are slaughtered.

I hope this helps you, not only with your paper, but with forming your own ideas about such a controversial topic in the horse world.
     
    06-24-2010, 01:48 PM
  #24
Weanling
And ps, I LOVE the Anne McCaffrey reference in your sig.
Go fantasy!
:)
     
    07-05-2010, 11:03 PM
  #25
Foal
Cool The poll was closed but I am anti slaughter and from canada

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Originally Posted by kmdstar    
I am pro slaughter since I really don't have a choice in the matter. Honestly, I think slaughter is the only thing horses have got going for them. It's their ticket out. It sounds terrible but with what some horses have to go through and deal with is also terrible and slaughter is MUCH better compared to that. Starving, hobbling around on long hooves, injuries and pain gone untreated...you get the point. Unfortunately, it is a necessary evil.
I had the very same conversation in another horse chat.

I am anti slaughter because there is no need to slaughter.
Slaughtering has become an easy way to get rid of a horse and still make some money on it.
As long the european countries and asia buy our horse meat, there will be horses bred in backyard because it is so easy to discard them.

Your arguement that slaughter is more like a mercy killing.
Have you looked lately into the videos filmed at slaughter houses? A mercy killing? Don't you think if somebody owns a horse, he should be responsible enough to trim the hooves, to heal the wounds, to give the horse medical attention? If they get sick, you just go and slaughter them? If you can't afford a horse you send it to slaughter?

We will breed horses until there is no demand for the meat. This will be happening here very soon as the EU already has new regulations in place by July 31, 2010.

Any horse should have the right to be euthanized. This is not expensive and will be often discounted or assisted with, by vets and rescue groups.
The vets come out to your land, euthanize the horse, bring the truck and dispose of the body. This is humane and this is the treatment any horse deserves, no matter how old, how sick how many, I say every horse deserves this respect.

There is an article on my website which I especially designed to have petitions against horse slaughter signed and to support Bill C 544.
Several articles will bring you to video footage taken just a few months ago. You watch it and tell me that you think a horse is better off if it gets slaughtered.

Every info on this site is linked to its original site.

www.animalsunited.webs.com

PS: I appologize if I came in the door a little harsh. But I like to speak my mind and don't appreciate ignorant people.
It has been prooven that without slaughter not more or less horses were abandoned or starved to death. This is just a silly excuse to.
     
    07-05-2010, 11:57 PM
  #26
Weanling
I am not completly against horse slaughter I just wish they would make it more humaine. I don't really understand when someone is completly against and will not argue about how it has it good point. With out the whole cycle would be messed up for a while. There may be too many horses in the world sometimes and they don't have homes. Id rather see a horse be used for a good purpose for like food then see it starve and be homeless because there is not always a place for rescue horses. I just really wish it was more humane because its obviously not :/.
     
    07-06-2010, 12:01 AM
  #27
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by tanjam    
I had the very same conversation in another horse chat.

I am anti slaughter because there is no need to slaughter.
Slaughtering has become an easy way to get rid of a horse and still make some money on it.
As long the european countries and asia buy our horse meat, there will be horses bred in backyard because it is so easy to discard them.

Your arguement that slaughter is more like a mercy killing.
Have you looked lately into the videos filmed at slaughter houses? A mercy killing? Don't you think if somebody owns a horse, he should be responsible enough to trim the hooves, to heal the wounds, to give the horse medical attention? If they get sick, you just go and slaughter them? If you can't afford a horse you send it to slaughter?

We will breed horses until there is no demand for the meat. This will be happening here very soon as the EU already has new regulations in place by July 31, 2010.

Any horse should have the right to be euthanized. This is not expensive and will be often discounted or assisted with, by vets and rescue groups.
The vets come out to your land, euthanize the horse, bring the truck and dispose of the body. This is humane and this is the treatment any horse deserves, no matter how old, how sick how many, I say every horse deserves this respect.

There is an article on my website which I especially designed to have petitions against horse slaughter signed and to support Bill C 544.
Several articles will bring you to video footage taken just a few months ago. You watch it and tell me that you think a horse is better off if it gets slaughtered.

Every info on this site is linked to its original site.

www.animalsunited.webs.com

PS: I appologize if I came in the door a little harsh. But I like to speak my mind and don't appreciate ignorant people.
It has been prooven that without slaughter not more or less horses were abandoned or starved to death. This is just a silly excuse to.

I COMPLETLY agree with everything you say, but again id rather have a horse be used to help something else then have it starved and homeless. But you are right the owner should be completly responsible for their horse! At least sent it to a recue center if they are bankrupt or something! I don't completly beilive it is a silly excuse and that it has been proven because how would they prove it when more horses are being sent every hour. ITt would be nicer without horse slaughter and those poor darling horses lives being wasted but with it there its almost hard to remove it ;(
     
    07-06-2010, 01:01 PM
  #28
Foal
Since the slaughter has ended in the states, we are the receiver of the horses.
In 2008 we slaughtered 112.887 horses, 49% from the states.
Alone the bouvry slaughter house kills 1000 horses every week of which over 100 are foals.
Those are not horses that nobody can take care of, horses that just appeared. Those are horses that have been discarded and send to slaughter because it is a easy way to get rid of them.
Those horses are no slaughter material. We slaughter the mustangs that the BLM captured tax funded.
Anybody that can watch the videos that have been come up in the last years and still say that slaughter is a humane way is just plain ignorant. This is not humane.
The slaughter plants are not designed to slaughter horses, but cattle.
The kill boxes are slippery for a hoof, the horses can see above the box, smell the blood of the horse before, see the other horses hung up by their hindlegs, still struggeling while their throat gets cut open, not being bled out and and still alive when their hooves get chopped off.
The stunt guns, bolt guns they use, are designed for cows. A horse will panic, it is a flight animal, the gun can not be pointed right to kill the horse. Often and as shown on the videos, a horse has to be shut three times before it finally goes down. There is nothing humane about slaughter.
Since the states shut down slaughter, horses are being transported up to 38 hours at the time, no food no water, cramped onto trailers, injured, sick and scared, some arrive dead, being trampeled by the others, some with wounds so bad, you wouldn't believe it.

If you like to get some more info on the subject slaughter, please visit my site and read all the info.

www.animalsunited.webs.com
     
    07-07-2010, 12:11 AM
  #29
Foal
I want to quickly say that I am completely against horse slaughter. I will give you a couple of quick facts and then I will post some anti slaughter links you can read through.

Even if you have absolutely no feelings at all, there are a few economical, environmental and health concerns involved.

Firstly, there have been recent studies in Europe that prove that the bute in horse meat, given to most horses in the US and everywhere else, causes fatal bone marrow depletion in people, infertility and many other ailments when ingested. Furthermore, there is not a "detox period" for it, despite what some think.

Secondly, when the american slaughter houses were open there was significant pollution of the ground water near Dallas Crown and employees/witnesses/residents claim that the plants dumped the waste, like blood and body parts, into rivers and streams. This includes heads. There have been reports, I think in Illinois (not sure), that chunks of waste were found in water sources. Horses have much more blood in their bodies than cows which so it is much more waste involved. The plant owned by Cavel international in Illinois was a "state of the art" facility which could handle 8Xs the waste than previous facilities and was still not in compliance. The city had levied a total of $80,500 for violations from 2006.

Thirdly, the "American" plants were foreign owned and when Dallas Crown's records were exposed, It was revealed that they got an estimated $5 million in Federal funding annually, and paid only FIVE DOLLARS in taxes and made over $12 MILLION per year. Your tax dollars at work! That is only one house.

Fourthly, there have also been studied done that prove that, because the neck is much longer than that of a cow and has a greater range of movement, the bolt gun cannot be use efficiently and humanely and most times doesn't "stun" them at all. They are hung up and their throats are slit while they are still conscious. It is obviously concluded that there is presently NO way to humanely slaughter a horse.

Fifthly, Horse slaughter advocates want you to believe that this is a ‘service,’ that horses being slaughtered are lame, old or ill-tempered. Yet the USDA funded Temple Grandin study of horses arriving at slaughter found that well over 90% (92.3%) met none of these criteria. In fact, the slaughter of healthy horses means greater profitability for the slaughter plant owners. If they have to pump food (which costs money) into the horses its less profit. It's the same mentality of their former owners, and the reason they end up going through auction. The following is a picture taken of starved horses at a KILLER BUYERS facility. (killer buyer Terry Saulters in Waco, Tx) Further evidence that old, sick, or emaciated horses are not relieved of suffering one they are one there way to slaughter.


Sixthly, there have been studies conducted that prove crime rates are increased by in slaughterhouse towns because of the violent nature of the job. I will find a link and post it later.

Sevently, there have been studies conducted that prove there has been no decrease (and possibly and increase) in horse abuse/neglect cases during the last few years before the horse slaughterhouses in USA closed. I may be mistaken but I believe there has also been a decrease since the plants were closed. I will find a link and post it later.

The reasons above were not made up in my anti-slaughter head. They have been PROVEN in studies. Pro-slaughter people are either heartless or have been sadly misguided and are holding onto false reasons. The only way to stop the overpopulation of horses is to STOP BREEDING for the time being.

People want slaughter so they aren't held responsible for their mistakes.

If they have an oops, kill it; If they have an injury, kill it; If they are too old for ME TO USE, kill it; My horse is to manly to get him gelded I can just kill the babies; People should be held responsible.

There are countless reasons to slop slaughter, but sadly money outweighs everything. It destroys our health, environment, economy, society and morals, and almost nothing good comes from it. It kills those who eat it, corrupts those who do it, wastes precious lives and negatively affects the environment and people in the environment.


Here is a good link to read I'll be posting more

Former Mayor: Horse Slaughterhouses a Drain on Taypayers — Never Mind the Ditches of Blood | Pith in the Wind | Nashville Scene
     
    07-07-2010, 12:45 AM
  #30
Trained
Quote:
Pro-slaughter people are either heartless or have been sadly misguided and are holding onto false reasons.
I am neither heartless OR misguided, thank you very much.

I live in a different country so the issues here are very different from the issues in the US. Slaughter is viewed very differently here.

I also want to point out that not all horse slaughter is done with the end goal of human consumption - In fact, here in AUS, there are only two slaughter houses licensed to slaughter horses for human consumption - The majority of horse slaughter here is for various other uses (Pet food, feeding large game animals, other by-products).

I wouldn't call myself 'pro-slaughter' - I don't LIKE slaughter and I doubt most 'pros' do either. I simply see it as a necessary evil until the we can use other means to render it redundant.

In a perfect world, every horse owner would be held accountable for the horses they own. They would be made to provide vet care when the horse is injured; Feed if the horse is not maintaining weight; Dental care and hoof care if and when needed; And at the end of their life, they should be required to euthanase the horse, wether it be by injection, bullet, or any other commonly accepted as humane method.

However - In a world where people can't be completely responsible for their own children, how can we expect them to be fully responsible for animals?

There are, and always will be i'm afraid, horses (And other animals) out there who are mistreated, neglected, abused, or simply treated as property and not as a living being. It is a sad truth.

It is also a sad truth that it is expensive and often very difficult to humanely euthanize and dispose of a horse carcass, especially in suburban areas. It costs money to euthanize a horse. If you are very, very lucky you will have an area nearby where you are allowed to bury a carcass - then you need to organise someone to haul the carcass there for you, and do the necessary earthworks. If you aren't lucky, you also need to pay someone to dispose of the carcass - Wether it be burying it on their own land or taking it to a rendering plant. It is not an easy or cheap excercise. The issue is - in todays economy, many horses are in a bad way because people have found themselves without enough money to adequately care for them. In such a situation, how do you expect them to muster up enough money to do the right thing? I certainly couldn't blame anyone who was struggling to get by choosing to send their horse to an auction and receive a small amount of money than watch it starve in their paddock.

There are as many articles written by vets and other authorised people who believe the captive bolt gun IS a humane method of slaughter for horses as there are who don't believe it. In actuality, the captive bolt only stuns cattle before they are bled, but it kills a horse because they have a much thinner skull and the brain is closer to the front of the head.

Death is never pretty - no matter how it is administered - And there are some pretty horrific stories out there of euthanasia gone wrong as well. Euthanasia (The injection) is done more to appease the human than the horse - I believe the most humane way to euthanase a horse is with a well placed bullet, in a place it is familiar with.
     

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