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View Poll Results: For or against regulated horse slaughter in the US?
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    07-07-2010, 12:54 AM
  #31
Foal
http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/AAHSTalkingPoints.pdf

"The documented crime increases include a 130% increase in violent crimes in Finney County, Kansas (Broadway 2000) and a 63% increase in monthly police bookings in Lexington, Nebraska (Gouveia and Stull 1995). Increases in crime have also been observed in at least one Canadian town to date: the town of Brooks, Alberta witnessed a 70% increase in reported crime.”
“the correlation between dismembering animals and victimization of less powerful human groups such as women and children is clear and bears itself out in increased domestic violence in communities surrounding slaughterhouses."
When Horse Slaughter Comes to Town: Economic Growth and Community Image | Int'l Fund for Horses

"USDA statistics show that more than 92 percent of horses slaughtered are in good condition and able to live productive lives. In California, where horse slaughter was banned in 1998, there has been no corresponding rise in cruelty and neglect cases, while horse theft dropped by 34 percent after the ban. In Illinois, when the plant was shut down for two years, horse neglect and abuse decreased in the state. Allowing one's horse to starve is not an option in any state—state anti-cruelty laws prohibit such neglect. Most horses who go to slaughter are not unwanted, but rather wind up in the hands of killer buyers because they are in good health and will bring a better price per pound for their meat. Providing for a horse, including humane euthanasia when necessary, is just part of responsible ownership"
The Facts On Horse Slaughter : The Humane Society of the United States

"A peer reviewed scientific study tracing race horses sent to slaughter for human consumption has found that 100% of the horses in the study group had been administered phenylbutazone, a banned carcinogen that can also fatally damage the bone marrow of humans."
Contaminated horse meat a health risk, according to study

“Most horses are treated with drugs that make them unsafe for human consumption, and ZOOS are moving away from use of horse meat.

“Slaughtering horses can never be humane. They are extreme flight animals. When they enter the kill box, they become very agitated, making it near impossible to execute a humane kill,” Beckstead continued. “This is a major betrayal to our horses. We would never slaughter our cats and dogs, so why should we do it to them?”
Wyoming Governor Enacts Legislation To Initiate Horse Slaughter | The Chronicle of the Horse

"Horse slaughterhouses use the same type of stalls and techniques as cattle slaughterhouses. These stalls are too wide for horses and the captive-bolt stun gun method used with cattle is ill-suited for horses. Horses are an extreme example of a flight animal. The panic and instinctive desire to escape they experience in the slaughterhouse causes them to thrash their heads frantically in the kill chute, making it difficult to effectively stun them prior to slaughter. Witnesses (and video footage) document horses subjected to a sharp blow to the head from the captive-bolt gun three or four times before they are rendered unconscious for exsanguination. In a recent investigation of carcasses discarded by a Canadian slaughterhouse, skulls of many horses processed for meat were found without any holes from a stun gun or rifle whatsoever!"


Mexico Slaughter House

This horse is TERRIFIED. Fixing to be killed horrificly and inhumanely!
     
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    07-07-2010, 01:10 AM
  #32
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Clair    
And ps, I LOVE the Anne McCaffrey reference in your sig.
Go fantasy!
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Thanks! I love her books, especially the series about Pern.
     
    07-07-2010, 01:17 AM
  #33
Foal
Wild_spot, I was referring to American's being misguided. I understand that in other countries some horses are raised for consumption. So I know it's viewed differently. And I'm sure american's on here will say the same you did, but it's what I believe.

I also think that when someone purchases a horse, they know they will not live forever. Just like they know they will pay vet/farrier/dental fees they know they will have to put down and dispose of the horse. If they can't do that humanely, they shouldn't own a horse.

I know that zoos will shoot and dispose of your horse for you. The thought of that also makes me cringe, but I agree it is a much better option than slaughter. When it comes time to sell a horse a person should step up and vet the prospective buyers check their paddocks and references and make sure it's a good home. Some horses will slip through, but at least the owner exhausted every possibility to get it a good home.

I still disagree about the kill boxes and captive bolt guns. The physical make up of the horse makes me believe this. They are flighty and agile and have are fighters. They don't stand still for this. Especially a head shy horse, and with a big ole scary thing coming at em like that they all would be head shy. I still believe it's just what people are told and chose to believe so they can justify it.

I would like to see the papers and articles that claim the stun gun is effective even 70% of the time. It would honestly help me sleep better at night.

"Once they arrive, their suffering intensifies—undercover footage obtained by The Humane Society of the United States demonstrates that fully conscious horses are shackled and hoisted by the rear leg and have their throats slit. Because horses are skittish by nature, it is particularly difficult to align them correctly and ensure the captive bolt stun gun renders them unconscious."

Common Myths about Horse Slaughter | The Humane Society of the United States
     
    07-07-2010, 01:23 AM
  #34
Foal
Also, my link didn't work up there^^^

Horse slaughterhouses use the same type of stalls and techniques as cattle slaughterhouses. These stalls are too wide for horses and the captive-bolt stun gun method used with cattle is ill-suited for horses. Horses are an extreme example of a flight animal. The panic and instinctive desire to escape they experience in the slaughterhouse causes them to thrash their heads frantically in the kill chute, making it difficult to effectively stun them prior to slaughter. Witnesses (and video footage) document horses subjected to a sharp blow to the head from the captive-bolt gun three or four times before they are rendered unconscious for exsanguination. In a recent investigation of carcasses discarded by a Canadian slaughterhouse, skulls of many horses processed for meat were found without any holes from a stun gun or rifle whatsoever!

http://www.hsi.org/issues/horse_slau...slaughter.html
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http://www.manesandtailsorganization...ptive_bolt.htm
     
    07-07-2010, 01:42 AM
  #35
Foal
Nobody is pro-slaughter... but sometimes it is inevitable. I feel that we should work to prevent horse slaughter and rescue those rescuable and on the road to the slaughter house. Sometimes, however, there is a horse in such a dire condition that it would be euthanized, anyway. People should try to prevent savable horses from going to slaughter and keep slaughter humane... but what must be done must be done.
     
    07-07-2010, 01:49 AM
  #36
Trained
I don't think there are many horses here raised only for human consumption, I just know that the majority of horses that are slaughtered are not destined for human consumption.

I think it is viewed differently here because it is quite a common part of life - not just for horses - But I think a lot of Americans are further removed from animal processing so don't really have an accurate view of the situation.

I'm not hardcore in my beliefs either way - I'm actually kind of ambivalent. I don't like it, and I wish it wasnt necessary - but I also believe that while there is supply there will be demand, and it can be an out for some disadvantaged horses.

I am not sure of the restraint used on horses here in Australia - I do not know if it is the same as the US and they just use the cattle bay, however I have a feeling I read somewhere that they don't. There isn't nearly as much public outcry over slaughter here so there aren't as many videos, etc, that are circulated.

This article discusses the many different methods of Euthanasia, captive bolt gun being one of them. If placed correctly it is supremely effective:

Emergency Euthanasia of Horses; UC Davis Veterinary Medicine Extension

This article has comments from a number of vets and other secialists:

The Horse | Captive Bolt Controversy

The thing is, you can find articles to support any point of view, and it's up to the individual to rely on their own intellect and not so much what is written by other, on either side.
     
    07-07-2010, 01:49 AM
  #37
Foal
"I am not sure of the restraint used on horses here in Australia - I do not know if it is the same as the US and they just use the cattle bay, however I have a feeling I read somewhere that they don't."

That's exactly right.. I was just writing another thing, and when I was done I saw your post. The study below states that a captive bolt can be affective, but proper placement is critical, and for proper placement you have to have restraints and they aren't used in mexican or canadian plants.

And I want to say, I am VERY hardcore about ending slaughter of american horses!


Sooo sorry to post AGAIN, but I just found a great study that I think is important for people to know. I hope people that read this thread will definitely check the following links even if you don't look at the others!!


This is part of a study done about slaughter (link is below)

"The penetrating captive bolt followed by immediate exsanguination (bleeding out) has been the preferred method of achieving insensibility of equines in American slaughterhouses since the early 1980’s. The mode of action of a penetrating captive bolt gun is concussion and trauma to the brain. This requires that it be held firmly against the surface of the head over the intended site. Because placement and positioning of the projectile is critical, some degree of restraint is required for proper use of this device.

While the destruction of brain tissue with the penetrating captive bolt may be sufficient to result in death, operators are strongly advised to ensure death by exsanguination."


"It is important to note that in the foreign owned equine slaughterhouses operating in the United States, no form of restraint is used when the equine is in the kill chute or ‘knock box’ waiting for the penetrating captive bolt to be applied. In some instances, it takes several attempts to effectively apply the penetrating captive bolt the equine, if this is achieved at all. The use of the penetrating captive bolt is in violation of 7 U.S.C.A. 1902 (a) of the Humane Slaughter Act as this methodology requires more than one blow and is inefficient at rendering equines immediately insensible."


"Use of the captive bolt causes extreme pain.
In a study conducted at Hanover University, EEG and ECG recordings were taken on all animals to measure the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning. EEG readings showed that although the animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning with the penetrating captive bolt, they were experiencing severe pain immediately after stunning."

"Horses regain consciousness approximately 30 seconds after the captive bolt is applied.

Due to the inherent differences in skull structures of bovines and equines, each species reacts to the captive bolt differently. THE BRAIN OF AN EQUINE IS FURTHER BACK IN THE SKULL COMPARED TO A BOVINE. The equines regain consciousness and are not insensible to pain shortly after they are shackled and hoisted. Therefore, they are very much aware of being butchered alive."


This study claims that a stun gun will work with the use of restraints, but restraints are not used to keep the horse still.
USE OF THE 'PENETRATING CAPTIVE BOLT'

And this study claims that the captive bolt gun is EXTREMELY painful to all animals.
Why Islamic method of Slaughtering animals is better? A scientific reason
     
    07-07-2010, 02:02 AM
  #38
Trained
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"Horses regain consciousness approximately 30 seconds after the captive bolt is applied.

Due to the inherent differences in skull structures of bovines and equines, each species reacts to the captive bolt differently. THE BRAIN OF AN EQUINE IS FURTHER BACK IN THE SKULL COMPARED TO A BOVINE. The equines regain consciousness and are not insensible to pain shortly after they are shackled and hoisted. Therefore, they are very much aware of being butchered alive."
See - Most of the studies I have read state that the captive bolt gun used properly results in death. I don't understand how they can state that it never does, and horses regain conciousness - the captive bolt gun, used properly, destroys the section of brain.

I honestly think that they should work on better regulating the use of the captive bolt gun - As it is very effective. Mandating proper restraints designed for use with horses to ensure that the captive bolt gun can be used as intended and to it's full effect.

Ugh, my brain feels like mush today, i'm not having much luck articulating what i'm trying to say.
     
    07-07-2010, 02:12 AM
  #39
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild_spot    
See - Most of the studies I have read state that the captive bolt gun used properly results in death. I don't understand how they can state that it never does, and horses regain conciousness - the captive bolt gun, used properly, destroys the section of brain.

I honestly think that they should work on better regulating the use of the captive bolt gun - As it is very effective. Mandating proper restraints designed for use with horses to ensure that the captive bolt gun can be used as intended and to it's full effect.

Ugh, my brain feels like mush today, i'm not having much luck articulating what i'm trying to say.
That's the difference. Yall have restraints (I'm assuming from your earlier post) and in Canada and Mexico they don't. I gather, if used properly it will work on the horse, but when used improperly I doesn't, and if it hits in the wrong area, it only temporarily affects them.

Though there is a link on a post earlier to a study that was done on Islamic animal slaughter (cutting the neck completely across) vs western animal slaughter. Claiming it was very painful. I had never heard this before. It is shocking.
     
    07-07-2010, 09:27 AM
  #40
Banned
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Originally Posted by hillarymorganstovall    
Pro-slaughter people are either heartless or have been sadly misguided and are holding onto false reasons. The only way to stop the overpopulation of horses is to STOP BREEDING for the time being.
Glad you feel the need to call others names just because they do not run around in rose colored glasses like you do.

I am not from another country. I am right here in the good 'ol USofA.

I personally think slaughter serves a purpose. A good purpose. I see no reason to waste perfectly good meat. I think having an end use (meat) is a great way to deal with the problem that we have. And heck, it is very green if you think about it. Isn't being green the in thing right now. Slaughter is a form of recycling and not being wasteful.

We need to stop breeding too many cats and dogs too. But that is not going to happen any sooner than too many horses will. So dream on. When you wake up and you can afford to feed and house all the extra animals then we can do it your way.

Also, if you are so against how slaughter is done in Canada and Mexico then help re-open the plants here so that slaughter can be done in the most humane way possible right here where we can regulate it.

All slaughter should be done in the most humane way possible. Period.

Note, I disagreed with you and did not call you any names.
     

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