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        08-21-2008, 07:04 PM
      #11
    Green Broke
    My family adopted over 15 mustangs from the BLM herd until my Grandpa could no longer work with them. Even toward the last few years we had them adoption numbers were going down. The fees were next to nothing.

    People are having a hard time affording the horses they have let alone adopting and that puts the herds in a pretty bad stop. But money only goes so far, whethere it's our money or the government's.
         
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        08-21-2008, 07:09 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Yes. It seems either generation we look to, there will always be struggles dealing with money. Right now even, the ASPCA is collecting money to pay for hay for rescue organizations..
    As for the adoption that is very good to hear.
    We have quite a few just plain RESCUES at the farm. Three from abusive owners (two were VERY young, less than a year old), one from a family who just wanted to be rid of her, one from slaughter, and the rest of our gang was born there.
         
        08-23-2008, 06:38 AM
      #13
    Started
    I think the blm needs either to be charged with neglect....they have been know to catch wild horses leaving them in pens with out food oor water for day only to be comming back and finding dead horses.....it's not only the blm...(let's get this straight i'm not a bush fan) but you lovley presendent (i am canadian living in the states) sign a bill that over ridder a 1971 bill that protected the mustangs....why?.......for the ranchers who use the public grazing land that theses horses use also...........how....$1.25 usd per cow calf fee for doing this each year...cheepr for the rancher....how come???.....because bush is also a rancher!!!, yes the blm will turn some mustangs over to the public and prison programes....to teach in mates how to traine a horse then be adopted out....while older and lame horses are being turned back out to the wild...oh yeah the also send a good amount of mustangs to mexico to be sluaghterd.... the blm is a joke
         
        08-23-2008, 06:55 AM
      #14
    Green Broke
    What are your solutions then?

    People don't usually adopt the older and especially lame ones. They go for the younger ones.

    People don't want them slaughtered, they don't want them euthanized, the don't want them turned back out to possibly starve on the over grazed lands. Exactly what should be done with them?
         
        08-24-2008, 02:12 AM
      #15
    Started
    160 years ago the buffelo where sluaghterd in order to starv the indians and reduce there numbers....ranchers are doing the same thing...this time it's the mustang.......what get;s me is that the blm will get land willed to them for the use of the mustangs....they will then turn around and lease those lands to ranchers.....although I do agree that some need to be culled out but not in the way the blm do it
         
        08-24-2008, 02:14 AM
      #16
    Green Broke
    I guess I didn't ask very clearly the first time, what would you do to solve things?
         
        08-24-2008, 02:51 AM
      #17
    Started
    I'd get rid of them blm all to geather... kick the ranchers out and take the mares and inject them with porcine zona pellucida....let the numbers drop but natural selection...NOT sending them of to sluaghter ....or why not gelding some of the stallions upond capture? Then release them.....yeah the gap os closing in on them land is being over grazzed but don't blame it on the wild horse, blame it on the ranchers who are useing blm....
         
        08-24-2008, 03:45 AM
      #18
    Weanling
    I too have adopted mustangs (only 2) and let me tell you they were/are a handful! I have rehabbed and rescued aprox 20 horses in the last 5 or so years and they were the most difficult for me. Not saying it's their fault. They think, and react totally different than domestic horses. Even knowing that going into it, I was still shocked at the difference. That being said, I seriously doubt that the most of the people who said they would adopt actually would/will. If they truly wanted to, they could. There are several adoptions a year, and it is not expensive. We adopted a palomino and tobiano mare for $125 each.

    I don't have any answers unfortunately. I have "heard" on other boards that if you geld a stallion and turn him back, then that is signing his death certificate. That the intact stallions will kill them. But, I don't honestly know if that is true or not. I have never witnessed it and you can't believe everything you read on the internet. If it weren't true, I think that would be a viable option to keep down the numbers, but remember, just one stallion can impregnate many, many mares. You wouldn't need too many to keep those numbers up.

    I don't know if birth control for the mares would work either. I have tried it for a couple of my mares and it didn't work. I have a beautiful tobiano filly from a mare on birth control. I don't know enough about the "marbeling" technique to talk intelligent about it.

    And as for them getting slaughtered. You are expressly forbidden to knowingly sell, transfer or give away a BLM horse knowing it would go to slaughter. That is part of the reason for the freeze branding. Slaughter is NOT an approved method for getting rid of any mustangs. Humane euthnasia is being talked about. Nothing has been decided about that either at this point. As I said before, you can't believe everything you read on the internet.
         
        08-24-2008, 12:21 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KANSAS_TWISTER
    i'd get rid of them blm all to geather... kick the ranchers out and take the mares and inject them with porcine zona pellucida....let the numbers drop but natural selection...NOT sending them of to sluaghter ....or why not gelding some of the stallions upond capture? Then release them.....yeah the gap os closing in on them land is being over grazzed but don't blame it on the wild horse, blame it on the ranchers who are useing blm....
    I'm just curious, but how old are you?

    Who would run the program if BLM were gone?
    Do you know how much it takes in time, money and personnel to run a program like this?
    Natural selection = some dying of starving - is that acceptable to you?
    Gelding costs money, birth control for the mares cost money, euthanizng costs money. It's really about how to manage the little money they get every year.

    A lot of those ranchers you despise lease some of that land which then goes into a coffer to pay for some of the program costs.

    I don't know what your experience in things like this, but you seem to not understand how these programs operate under the public surface. What happens behind the scenes. How budgets are operated.

    I think what you'd find is a group of people trying their best to work with hardly any money and no matter what they do, under the big words BLM - they will always be the enemy when they ARE NOT.

    I've been in state government for over 17 years. I work with fish and not horses but it's the SAME thing. You get your budgets cut every year, you still have to manage the fish 'herds' and to make the public happy. The public sees you as the bad guy because fish numbers are going down but they don't see why or care to take the time too.

    I NEVER hear of anyone offering up ideas or suggestions other than to be really hateful. I can imagine the folks at BLM feel the same way.

    So, maybe take a step back and realize there are people in that program that want to be there and want to try and help the horses. The decision made for that program are often made over their heads AND not decision they really agree with BUT they have to do it.

    When you poop on BLM - you are pooping on these people that are out there trying to make it all happen. People are in these jobs not to get rich but because they want to be there.
         
        08-24-2008, 09:07 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Solon, I was wondering the same thing. Not because I am trying to put anyone down, but because with age comes experience. It is daunting and unfortunate the things that govt employees have to put up with. They have to live by budgets and rules irregardless whether the employees or the public think they are right. It is difficult to change things once they are in place. Widespread generalities such as "they should get rid of......" or "they should just....." are unrealistic. And unfortunately, we live in a realistic world.
         

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