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        02-18-2009, 07:46 PM
      #11
    Banned
    I too agree with the others. It is FAR to tight.
         
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        02-18-2009, 11:22 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Excuse me from straying from the topic but ShowJumpLife, I noticed not only your good looking horse but also the background! New Zealand eh? I am making it a goal to soon go there!! Looks like a fabulous place!
         
        02-18-2009, 11:49 PM
      #13
    Trained
    I also agree. Far too tight and defeating the purpose. Just because someone trains horses professionally doesn't mean they're doing it right :)
    Cute horse though
         
        02-19-2009, 06:48 AM
      #14
    Foal
    And please, get a proffesional out to help you, before you injure you're horse!...
         
        02-19-2009, 11:07 AM
      #15
    Trained
    She isn't injuring her horse at all. Come on guys.

    She is only doing her best, and doing what she was told to do. She just needs help on how to do it differntly.
         
        02-19-2009, 01:05 PM
      #16
    Trained
    It looks to me like the side reins are the correct length, they are just placed about 18-24 inches too low. Depending on the fitness of the horse and what you are trying to accomplish by lunging the horse you may want to re think your equipment choice.
    I use side reins attached up near the withers in order to help my horse's feel of contact while lunging. I also use them a little lower when I'm working on developing higher collection like half steps and long lining work. He is already very strong and fit and the ground work I do with him is just to re-enforce what I'm doing in the saddle, so side reins are appropriate.
    For this horse it looks like you are trying to develop muscle. For this the best thing is riding correctly from back to front and working on transitions transitions and balancing from the leg about 3-4 days a week with at least one half hour of forward, marching walk on a contact each day. Another day a week I would be using the Pessoa system adjusted as snug as comfortable and working on developing the stride length of the horse and his balance by doing many forward and back transitions and playing with circle size and trot-halt-trot transitions. Still another day a week, I would work in a side rein lunge line combo with the side reins attached very high, and just tight enough to maintain contact with a vertical head and then run the lunge line through the surcingle to the bit to work on bend and conditioning the horse's topline. This day the work out should be limited to around 15-30 minutes because you are muscle building. If the horse braces back, like he is doing in the pictures then send him forward and praise him for coming into the contact and bring him back to working paces.
    Good luck! And with your training regiment be sure to feed correctly, and monitor joint health carefully. Walk is crucial to maintaining good joints. Try to walk you horse as much as possible in a marching walk on the contact.
         
        02-20-2009, 10:55 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Is it just me or is the surcingle too far forward. No-one else has mentioned it but to me it looks like it is digging into the withers and the shoulder muscle so it is not giving free movement to the forelegs. I would also use a pad under it. The placement of the surcingle in the photo of showjumplife's horse seems more appropriate to me. Also I would move the reins up to the next d-ring on the surcingle and let them out a hole or two.
         
        02-22-2009, 07:37 PM
      #18
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MIEventer    
    I agree, they are much to tight, not only that, but he does appear to be ribby.

    It isn't about forcing him into a false frame - is it about encouraging him to engage his back end, lift his back, track up and drive into the bridle.

    Many people use side reins incorreclty. They are meant to replace your hands - while you on the ground is meant to replace what you would be doing in the saddle.


    His frame is very incorrect LacyLove. He is inverted, on the muscle, back is dropped, not tracking up, with hind end carried high. He is stiff and using all the incorrect muscles.

    It isn't about forcing a frame...............

    Side reins have to be used correctly, when used incorrectly - you are essentially going backwards instead of forward in training.

    Your horse has to know how to remain at a steady fluid rhythm. You want to encourage their back end to move under them, you want to encourage tracking up, you want to encourage softness, suppleness. All the while, your horse not speeding up.

    He has no topline, no hind end muscle. No balance, no ability to carry himself. I would take the side reins off all together, and just work on basic walk, trot, canter at a rhythmical pace.

    Is he rideable? If so, I would get out on those trails and help him beef up that way as well.

    Proper feed will also help with his physcial condition to become that well balanced, muscled up, centered horse :)

    He is lovely, he has a big heart and has expressive eyes. He looks to be very intelligent as well. What a sweetheart :)

    I agree with most of your top suggestions. The frame is definitely forced. Loosen them like showjumpinglife's pic. To start. Even if he has had work in side reins you will need to start with them loose anyway because you don't want to cause resistance or muscle spasms. But, about this [I would take the side reins off all together, and just work on basic walk, trot, canter at a rhythmical pace.] I would not shy away from the side reins just work with them looser. These things can be achieved more properly in side reins.

    A horse that is polished in said reins should have his nose very slightlyin front of the vertical seeking the bit.
         
        02-22-2009, 07:39 PM
      #19
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by boxer    
    Is it just me or is the surcingle too far forward. No-one else has mentioned it but to me it looks like it is digging into the withers and the shoulder muscle so it is not giving free movement to the forelegs. I would also use a pad under it. The placement of the surcingle in the photo of showjumplife's horse seems more appropriate to me. Also I would move the reins up to the next d-ring on the surcingle and let them out a hole or two.
    This is probably caused by the said reins being too tight and it is getting pulled up onto the withers.
         
        05-12-2009, 10:31 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    The position of the surcingle is too far forward probably because the side reins are too tight. Also I advise using a pad underneath because if the surcingle is uncomfortable he will never raise his back up and move his shoulder out. So basically what boxer is saying. If you are struggling with the surcingle staying back in the proper place you could always try a crupper (sp?).
         

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