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    08-02-2011, 11:59 AM
  #11
Banned
In addition to what the others have said, you aren't doing very much to make his job easier or understandable.

At the very least, please use groundlines on each side of the fence, rolled out at least a foot from the base. Filler isn't a bad idea either. A single rail with no ground line and no filler is hard for the horse to see and to judge distance.

When I start babies over fences, I like to start out with 3 - 4 cavaletti set for trotting, then a gap, then a little pile of poles. Then I change the little pile of poles to a cross rail and eventually a little vertical.

This helps teach the horse to judge distance, and to bring his hind legs together and engage and push off evenly. (The distance between his hind legs, as well as the uneven knees, really tell you this little guy doesn't have much idea how to do what you're asking.)

Your position - standing up in the stirrups and crotch ahead of the pommel - is weighting his front end and making his job harder. When schooling unbalanced greenies over fences, you have to be very, very conscious of your position and balance because it can affect them so dramatically.

I do have to compliment your release, your hand and arm is relaxed and soft, and there's a nice little float to the rein.

I love this horse's attitude, soft, willing expression and the way he's stretching forward with his head and neck. Figure out how to set him up for success, both by constructing appropriate exercises and by your position, and you'll be on your way to a nice horse.

ETA: I wouldn't be jumping much more than crossrails on a 3 year old.
     
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    08-02-2011, 06:18 PM
  #12
Weanling
Thanks for all of your input. I have to admit this is the first horse I have taught to jump so I had contacted a local trainer to ask about how soon to start and how to start him etc. She had told me that at 3 if they have a solid walk, trot and canter and moved off you leg felt well balanced you could go ahead and start them over a few small jumps. He has done tons of trot pole work and the first few time I jumped it was a small x-rail after some trot poles. She told me its best to just set up a small jump because trot poles just confuse them. I am very upset to hear that I have been doing this all wrong and am confused as to why she would tell me to do it this way. I would love some more input.
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    08-02-2011, 06:36 PM
  #13
Showing
Three is too young for jumping. You know he will do it with a nice attitude and he won't forget that. Work on your groundwork and saddle with trail riding to keep his young mind fresh.
     
    08-02-2011, 06:59 PM
  #14
Green Broke
Personaly my just broken neddy wont be going anywhere near jumps for a good year or so. We will establish the basics first and that doesnt mean just walk, trot and canter, that means walk trot and canter in a nice soft supple and correct outline, in canter being able to strike off on the correct leg. It means being able to some degree to control the length of stride within a gait (not expecting high level dressage control at this point but basics), being able to balance himself on turns and having control of exactly where he puts his shoulders.

Once we have that he will be introduced to very small caveletti or X poles (he will have done pole work whilst establishing the flatwork basics), with placing poles in front and probably a lead from an established horse. We may or may not build from there depending on how he takes to it. If we do build it further, lots and lots and lots of gymnastic exercises, lots and lots and lots of flat work.

I agree If I were looking for a horse (and I have done so fairly recently) anything under 4 that has done any more then the basics would be bypassed. Anything under 5 that had been extensivly jumped I'd bypass.
     
    08-02-2011, 07:37 PM
  #15
Trained
Totally agree with everyone here. Tons of circles, serpentines, flat work to get this horse balanced and using himself properly. Ground poles are great, and get those changes down if you have the time. The jumps can wait! You cannot rebuild arthritic joints after the fact. TOns of transitions....well, you get the idea. I always throw in some trail rides also, which are just good mentally, plus exposes them to more "stuff" (like the super scary water........lol)There is no rushing a good foundation. It is far easier to build it right the first time.
     
    08-02-2011, 09:16 PM
  #16
Green Broke
I agree with him being to young. I would say popping him over a few small here and there might be okey but I wouldn't till you make sure he is fully developed and also as others have said has all the necessary solid groundwork done first then I would introduce the real work and jump training to him.
     
    08-02-2011, 09:17 PM
  #17
Trained
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Originally Posted by LynnF    
Thanks for all of your input. I have to admit this is the first horse I have taught to jump so I had contacted a local trainer to ask about how soon to start and how to start him etc. She had told me that at 3 if they have a solid walk, trot and canter and moved off you leg felt well balanced you could go ahead and start them over a few small jumps. He has done tons of trot pole work and the first few time I jumped it was a small x-rail after some trot poles. She told me its best to just set up a small jump because trot poles just confuse them. I am very upset to hear that I have been doing this all wrong and am confused as to why she would tell me to do it this way. I would love some more input.
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if trot poles are too confusing for them, they shouldnt be jumping !

Is she a jumping trainer or just an english trainer ?
     
    08-03-2011, 09:31 AM
  #18
Weanling
She is a jumping trainer and has been training jumpers longer than I have been alive. Gypsy, I have been doing tons of trot poles with him and they are not confusing for him at all, I believe what she was saying is that when you start to jump you should just use a single fence because it is less for them to process than trot poles and a jump. I think I will take a step back and keep working on the basics, he seems to be doing well with everything, picks up both leads and is quite well balanced in circles and bends through circles but I don't want to push him too hard. I wonder how a trainer that has been training for 25 years can be so wrong? :S
     
    08-03-2011, 09:41 AM
  #19
Showing
(read the first line of my signature)

Everyone has their own method of training that they feel works for them but just because they have had some success with it, doesn't make it right.

I agree with what has been said so far and disagree with the trainer you talked to - but that is just my opinion.
     
    08-03-2011, 01:41 PM
  #20
Foal
Having a horse who was started over fences at age 3, I caution you. I have a 12 year old Arabian mare who was started over fences at 3 after 4 months of ground training. She has horrible arthritus and other issues. Jumping at that young of an age can cause seriouse physical AND mental problems down the line.

I two would pass over a horse that had been started over fences at age 3. I don't start them over fences untill around 5 or 6. I like to make sure i've taking the time to teach them everything they need to know before throwing jumps at them. Ground poles are ok. But not at age 3.

I am flabbergasted that you are even considering to jump him, when he's only 3 years old. If I was in the market for a horse, I would bypass him seeing that he's already jumping fences at that young of age - just asking for joint issues down the road.

And its not that the trainer you talking to was necessarily wrong. Like someone else said everyone has their own way of doing things. Some things work for some horses others don't.
     

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