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    08-03-2011, 01:54 PM
  #21
Yearling
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Originally Posted by phoenix heartbeat    
Having a horse who was started over fences at age 3, I caution you. I have a 12 year old Arabian mare who was started over fences at 3 after 4 months of ground training. She has horrible arthritus and other issues. Jumping at that young of an age can cause seriouse physical AND mental problems down the line.

I two would pass over a horse that had been started over fences at age 3. I don't start them over fences untill around 5 or 6. I like to make sure i've taking the time to teach them everything they need to know before throwing jumps at them. Ground poles are ok. But not at age 3.

I am flabbergasted that you are even considering to jump him, when he's only 3 years old. If I was in the market for a horse, I would bypass him seeing that he's already jumping fences at that young of age - just asking for joint issues down the road.

And its not that the trainer you talking to was necessarily wrong. Like someone else said everyone has their own way of doing things. Some things work for some horses others don't.
I understand what you mean, but I just have a question. They start training Thoroughbreds at age 2 to start racing, which is just as bad, maybe worse then jumping at 3. Would you bypass a OTTB that started it's racing career at 2, but is sound?
     
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    08-03-2011, 03:17 PM
  #22
Green Broke
Erika, that is why so many race horses have serious issues later in life.

Yes I would pass on an OTTB unless it was absolutly perfect for me and if it was absolutly perfect then I wouldnt be paying the kind of money I would for other horses and I'd go into it knowing full well that I would be extremely unlikely to have the horse for a very long time as it would likely break down before too long.
     
    08-03-2011, 03:21 PM
  #23
Foal
Where I live we hold the young horse championship every year. Classes 4 year to 6 year olds. For 4 year olds its 100 cm course plus dressage ( 33 is 100cm I think). Im just thinking that if a horse is not introduced to jumps before it gets 4 it has too little time to develop necessary skills for this competition. What im thinking is I dont approve jumping youngsters on regular bases but introducing them what a jump is and teaching them how to react on that cant be all bad. But as said before flatwork should be done well before that. Just an oppinoin of mine.

About your horse. My young one I taught was about the same his first and second time. My instructor insisted useing ground poles before the jump all the time till he gets what he has to do. Your horse might be a fine jumper in the future. It all depends how you decide to train him.
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    08-03-2011, 03:41 PM
  #24
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I would not market him as a jumper, and I would leave that picture out of your sale ad. I would not consider a 3 yr old who has started jumping.
     
    08-03-2011, 05:28 PM
  #25
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by ErikaLynn    
I understand what you mean, but I just have a question. They start training Thoroughbreds at age 2 to start racing, which is just as bad, maybe worse then jumping at 3. Would you bypass a OTTB that started it's racing career at 2, but is sound?
I can't speak for others but...

An OTTB is not marketed as a jumper. It is marketed as a racehorse ready to be re-schooled. If you want to market a horse as a jumper it is a different kettle of fish. My comment was in relation not just to soundness concerns but also to gaps in the horses training.

If I was in the market for a jumper that is what I want - not a horse that needs to be re-schooled in order to jump.
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    08-04-2011, 02:22 AM
  #26
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Artemis    
Where I live we hold the young horse championship every year. Classes 4 year to 6 year olds. For 4 year olds its 100 cm course plus dressage ( 33 is 100cm I think). Im just thinking that if a horse is not introduced to jumps before it gets 4 it has too little time to develop necessary skills for this competition. What im thinking is I dont approve jumping youngsters on regular bases but introducing them what a jump is and teaching them how to react on that cant be all bad. But as said before flatwork should be done well before that. Just an oppinoin of mine.
We have similar for event horses and showjumpers, however it is extremely rare to see something doing the 4yr old class then go on to do well at top level.
     
    08-04-2011, 02:40 AM
  #27
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by phoenix heartbeat    
Having a horse who was started over fences at age 3, I caution you. I have a 12 year old Arabian mare who was started over fences at 3 after 4 months of ground training. She has horrible arthritus and other issues. Jumping at that young of an age can cause seriouse physical AND mental problems down the line.

I two would pass over a horse that had been started over fences at age 3. I don't start them over fences untill around 5 or 6. I like to make sure i've taking the time to teach them everything they need to know before throwing jumps at them. Ground poles are ok. But not at age 3.

I am flabbergasted that you are even considering to jump him, when he's only 3 years old. If I was in the market for a horse, I would bypass him seeing that he's already jumping fences at that young of age - just asking for joint issues down the road.

And its not that the trainer you talking to was necessarily wrong. Like someone else said everyone has their own way of doing things. Some things work for some horses others don't.
I completely agree with phoenix heartbeat. My old gelding was started over 2ft fences as a three-year-old (and when I say started, I mean they didn't do anything smaller than that...this was by the owners before me, not by me...I got him as the arthritic 6yo) and within a YEAR he started refusing jumps because his hocks already had arthritic changes. He loved to jump (and still would probably, if you really asked him) and had a decent talent for it, but because he was started so young, in a little less than a year later he was done with jumping forever. Now, he can only be used as a light trail horse with maybe some small W/T/C schooling shows for fun. He is 8-years-old and his right hock is already fused. As for the mental aspect of it...I'm not sure how it can ruin them, but I do know that any time Dakota saw a jump, he wanted to go over it, even though I knew he couldn't (in the winter, I had to W/T him for 20-30 minutes on the lungeline to warm him up and loosen up his hocks before we could even think about doing any kind of work).

My Aires is two-years-old and I definitely want to jump with him (XC if we can)...but I am waiting until he is AT LEAST five before even thinking about starting training him to jump. It's not fair to him to start earlier than that. For now, we'll be doing a lot of trails and a lot of flatwork.
     
    08-04-2011, 08:43 AM
  #28
Trained
Keep in mind that their growth plates in their legs are closed by 3-3.5yrs. If your argument is to not jump them before 5, its the growth plates in their back and neck that arent done yet, not their hocks...
     
    08-04-2011, 08:51 AM
  #29
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Originally Posted by ErikaLynn    
They start training Thoroughbreds at age 2 to start racing, which is just as bad, maybe worse then jumping at 3. Would you bypass a OTTB that started it's racing career at 2, but is sound?
Two wrongs do not make a right.

Yes, TBs are started early at the track. Yes, lots of retired race horses go on to have good careers doing other things.

That does not mean it is the best decision to be jumping your 3yo.
     
    08-04-2011, 09:25 AM
  #30
Yearling
I honestly don't see anything wrong with jumping a 3 year old once in a while. That's just my opinion. It's when the jumping gets too excessive, jumping too high too fast, or over facing the horse, that's when it becomes a problem. The 5 year old horse can become just as badly hurt/sour as a 3 year old if he is jumped too much.

This is the OP's horse second time jumping...I doubt that he will become a cripple if he jumps small jumps occasionally.
     

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