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        11-14-2010, 11:34 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    Thanks guys!!

    My sturrips are as short as the leathers will go, I need to get some shorter ones or wrap them or something, just haven't gotten around to doing it.

    Cosmomomo - Daisy allways has her ears back when riding. It's a good sign. It means she's concentrated on me and listening to what I am asking her. They aren't back in an upset manner.

    Apachie - She has not been taught to jump, and I am just playing around on her. Seeing what/how she would do. I'm curious if you think she could make it as a low level jumper and what I need to do to get her picking up her front feet? I don't plan on jumping any bigger than 2'9 or 3ft. And yes, she is fast to the jump. Lol. I ride in a side pull, which she listens to great on the trail, but when we jump she tends to ignore my half halts. So I have been thinking about putting her in a snaffle to see if I can get her attention on my half halts.
         
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        11-14-2010, 01:15 PM
      #12
    Started
    I think you are on the road to a good start with continued lessons! A few things I noticed is that you really turn your toes and lower leg out while jumping. Concentrate on not just gripping with the back of your calf but using your entire leg to support your position. You also need your heels down more than that. Practice some more two point. :) You are also jumping ahead quite a bit in the pictures. Doing this puts a lot of weight on your horses forehand which can be part of the reason she doesn't tidy up with her front legs. If there's too much weight up there all the time she won't pick up her feet and eventually may start refusing jumps. And then you'll be over her neck because you aren't in a balanced position. You need to get your stirrups up about 3-4 holes. I know you said that they are as high as they go, but either look into getting shorter stirrup leathers or get a leather hole puncher.

    You do seem like you have your horses best interests in mind. As far as getting her to be tidier with her front legs, I would first suggest making sure your position is correct and you aren't putting unnecessary weight on her shoulders. If she then doesn't correct herself, you can set up some jumping lines that really help the horse to rock back on his hocks and lift his front hooves. If she's rushing to the jumps, you can try setting a ground pole I think either 3 or 6 ft before the jump. Please don't quote me on the measurements, though! This will help slow her down and concentrate on taking off correctly. Make sure you also aren't pushing your girl too hard over the jumps. It take a lot of stamina and strength to jump again and again. I'm not at all saying you're working to hard, but pay attention if she seems tired and doesn't want to lift her feet over the jumps. :)

    Best of luck! :)
         
        11-14-2010, 01:41 PM
      #13
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Lonestar22    
    Thanks guys!!

    My sturrips are as short as the leathers will go, I need to get some shorter ones or wrap them or something, just haven't gotten around to doing it.

    Cosmomomo - Daisy allways has her ears back when riding. It's a good sign. It means she's concentrated on me and listening to what I am asking her. They aren't back in an upset manner.

    I was thinking she looked ok with the ears too. My guy does the same thing and once you know him it is VERY different from him pinning/upset ears. When they point straight forward with him, it means he is going to run out or spook but his happy place is the same as Daisy.

    For shortening your leathers, do you have access to a hole punch? If not, a trick I have used is just putting a hole in with a hammer and nail. It's kind of ghetto but it works. I really think you'll find your position more secure with a little shorter leg!
         
        11-14-2010, 01:54 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
    It's hard to say if she'd make a good jumper or not from that height. Right now, I'd work on transitions a lot, and getting her to slow down in front of the jump by using a bounce pole and making her think about what she's doing. And once you get a few more lessons in, and are a little tighter with your form, you might think about doing some grids with her. It's tough to teach one to jump when you are first learning yourself. 3 to 6 ft isn't enough room for a placing pole, it's more like 9' or 10'. You might ask Maura to drop by this thread, she could tell you much better than I could. I do a lot of my training by feel, and experiment with different techniques until I get the result I want. It's hard to translate that to a thread. She's much more eloquent than I am, lol. Do give the snaffle a try, but make sure she's okay with it on the flat first, and make sure you don't pop her in the mouth over the jump. Your release looks okay though, I don't think that would be a problem.

    ETA, tealamutt, I have done the same thing with the nail and hammer in a pinch, when my hole punch went MIA, lol.
         
        11-14-2010, 05:51 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    Thanks for all the responses guys! I do have a leather punch...gonna have to dig it up before I jump again.

    How far apart should ground poles be?


    Keep 'em coming!
         
        11-14-2010, 06:21 PM
      #16
    Showing
    If you just trot over ground poles (no jumping) you want to set them ~4 feet apart. Now the space between the pole and jump/cavaletti - 9 feet, between 2 jumping cavaletti - 12 feet (by jumping I mean on highest point). That's what my instructor told me while back.

    You can also read more in this old thread when we discussed the spacing: Spacing between cavaletties? Ground poles?
         
        11-15-2010, 11:16 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    Thanks Val. I wish I had an arena to mess with! That way I don't have to wait for the mud to go away.


    Any more critiques?
         
        11-16-2010, 01:20 AM
      #18
    Banned
    For one month of jumping you look great. Congrats. As you are so new to jumping, if I were you I would work on one thing at a time. For me at least, I go into sensory overload if I am new to something and try to do too much at once.
    The thing I would work on for now, is not coming out of the saddle so much, you don't really need to be doing much more than an 2 point for the height of the jump. I used to jump for my horse when I first started, and all I achieved was a bad jump, when I relaxed and had more trust, my mare did so much better.
         
        11-16-2010, 08:10 AM
      #19
    Banned
    Lone,

    I definitely agree with the previous posters who mentioned shortening the stirrups a hole or two. When sitting in the middle of your saddle with your foot out of the stirrup, the tread of the stirrup should bump your ankle bone or a little above. For someone used to riding Western, this is going to feel *really* short and uncomfortable. Once you get your stirrup the correct length, practice jumping position by bending both your knee and hip and squatting over your saddle, with your crotch over the middle of your saddle. When you get it right, you'll feel fairly secure and balanced, and that you don't have to lean on the neck. Novices assume jump position is a bigger adjustment or move than it is, it's actually pretty subtle - lift slightly out off the saddle, bend the knee and hip. The horse's motion does the rest. The third photo shows you demonstrating the best jump position.

    Your long stirrup has put the grip in the back of your calf, rather than the flat of your calf, as other posters have mentioned. Second and third photo show the grip more correctly in the flat of your calf.

    All that said, what I really like about these photos is that you and your horse appear relaxed, happy and like you're enjoying yourself. Your flat back and eyes securely up are admirable; traits lots of serious jumping riders struggle to develop that you seemed to have naturally.

    Your release is quite good. In none of the photos are you interfering with your horse, and there's a nice slack or float to the reins in all of them. In the fourth photo, the release is a little too close to the withers for my taste and you can see you're sort of jumping up over your hands. Aim for approx. 1/2 way up the neck, with knuckles pressing into the muscle of the neck. Don't be shy about grabbing a piece of mane with one hand over the fence.

    Your little horse is cute, willing and dead honest. In the first photo, she's showing quite respectable form, the others were not taken at the right moment to judge form. She's certainly safe and able, with a little work and polish she'd do well at small local shoes.

    For a western rider and horse goofing around in the pasture for fun, I see some aptitude and some good qualities. How far you go with this really just depends on how seriously you want to pursue it.
         
        11-16-2010, 09:16 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Thank you so much Maura! You have no idea what that means to me!

    I'm not aiming for anything huge. I just want to be able to enter local shows and not be the laughing stock. Lol.
         

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