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    11-10-2011, 01:52 AM
  #21
Foal
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher Arabians    
WELL! She's a skivey little bugger isn't she? I totally get what the others are saying about her kicking, if I had been on the horse behind you I'd probably have tried to get after her myself. But, if you find it funny, ......just keep wearing your brain bucket.

As for new things, I like barrel racing, pole bending and competitive trail rides myself.
I don't let her get away with it - I will kick her back until she figures out we are moving forward no matter what she does.

Sometimes we are distracted about steering in the process of figuring out who has the foot on the gas.
     
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    11-10-2011, 01:53 AM
  #22
Trained
What you are doing is not uncomfortable enough to make her stop. Make the consequenses harsh enough and the behaviour will stop. I would either use a spur or a crop and I would use both enthusiastically every time she did it.
     
    11-10-2011, 01:55 AM
  #23
Foal
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
She kicked at the dog in the first video and nearly connected and she kicked at the black horse in the second video and didn't miss by much. If you keep letting her do it you'll soon see the harm it causes. You were also letting her wander all over the road and cut off the horse behind you. That's pretty bad manners on your part for allowing it.

The little haffie probably needs a diet before she founders if she hasn't already.
Yes, I see that often her kicking at me, could harm others in the outlying areas. Usually the dog keeps his distance. In regards to our curvy road experience, I was intentionally going on the other side of the road before the videographer told me she could only point the camera one way.

She is on a dry lot, she has lost weight, but its slow going.
     
    11-10-2011, 01:58 AM
  #24
Foal
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
What you are doing is not uncomfortable enough to make her stop. Make the consequenses harsh enough and the behaviour will stop. I would either use a spur or a crop and I would use both enthusiastically every time she did it.
Good point, that would teach her, and royally piss her off enough to stop. Gold star for you! Do I need to put a disclaimer on this comment? Or will everyone accept that its a training method and not a animal abuse case... can't be too careful you know?
I will try a crop next time, I am curious what type of fit she will throw. We shall video that one. And wear the brain bucket.
     
    11-10-2011, 02:01 AM
  #25
Started
I don't think anyone's objecting since almost everyone who has commented implied the exact same punishment.
     
    11-10-2011, 02:08 AM
  #26
Trained
To help with the wieght loss you can ride her faster. That would also keep her mind on placing her feet and less on kicking or wandering around.
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    11-10-2011, 03:21 AM
  #27
Foal
Remind me to never let you "exercise" my horses..good lord. If ANYONE tried to piss off my horses for "amusement" I would be down right upset. You can make up all the excuses you want for why you let her do it, or why you don't correct it and whatever else you wanna say- it's not going to make you a better rider/trainer/owner/whateveryouwanttobe in the end. Excuses don't get you anywhere- finding the problem and fixing it does.
     
    11-10-2011, 08:32 AM
  #28
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Originally Posted by fadedoak    
I am asking for new things to do with her, can you give me help on that?
No not really..you have no real basic understanding of horse/human relationship.and an attitude that seems unwilling to learn

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Without being negative, without being rude?
That is as polite as I can get.
     
    11-10-2011, 08:39 AM
  #29
Banned
You are posting in the critique section, so people are responding with what they assumed you wanted, a critique.

I personally believe that if you don't correct the kicking issue and soon, you will have a pony who escalates and is a bucker. In the first video, you need to push her on more, don't give her time to kick out. And I'd like to see you in more of a 2 point with more release over the jump.
I don't think it is safe for your dog to have it around the horse at the moment while you are riding.

In the second video, she gave lots of warning before she kicked out at the horse behind. As it is known that she has these issues, that horse should never have been allowed to get so close.

As far as the direction of travel, I can see where you went to the other side of the road, and then changed your mind - however in the rest of the video, you are allowing her to just amble along as long as she is going in the general direction you want. She has your number and is taking advantage of you because you are you not taking charge of the situation.
     
    11-10-2011, 08:54 AM
  #30
Green Broke
Although you may not see it, I think a big problem here is respect. When you say "go forward" she should go forward immediately, you shouldn't have to kick or fight. Her kicking back is just asserting her dominance over you. Her "dancing" on the road is another of these assertions of dominance, and she's winning. The way you can tell this is because she keeps repeating this behaviour.

This riding critique forum is a place where, by posting, you invite the complete advice of anyone on this website. Out of all the boards this is one of the main "full advice" ones. If you're not open minded and willing to listen to what others say then don't post here, there are many other boards on here, like Horse Talk, or Horse Pictures where you can post.

My critique is that you're far too passive. You think her "dancing" is fun and it makes her like you but that's not the way horses think. Her dancing is her saying she's better than you, that she doesn't have to listen to you. The fact that she throws you on the trail and then runs off completely demonstrates the attitude of this horse - she doesn't want you around her, unless probably you have food. The reason for this is not because you're bad, or she's bad, and its not a personal attack. It's because horses follow the most dominant, they crave leadership and acceptance from the most dominant. To give the horse what she wants you have to be the most dominant.

I don't like spurs or whips and I think the repeated use of spurs just exacerbates a problem. I'd head back to ground work. A nice long lead, helmet, gloves, a dressage whip or something as an extension of your arm, and start getting her to yield away. Work with her until she'll move forward with just a touch, or even just a voice command.

Then ride her and get her moving, if she stops and doesn't listen to your leg you send her forward with everything you have, get a good fast trot or canter out of her. You don't want to be arguing with her, you don't want to spend the time kicking, if she stops you want to immediately have her going forward faster.

As for your riding. Her trot needs impulsion, movement, she's just sort of stumbling along. Keep her going, get some good solid canter work in. Start working on your two point, do a few laps in the two point position. You just sort of collapse forward over the pole, and your whole position weakens. If anything your are making it harder for the horse, not making it easier which is what the two point is meant to do. Really, for just a pole like that, you probably don't even need to change your position, just keep rising trot. If you decide to practice your two point put your stirrups up a few holes.

Once you have your two point down pat, then instead just having a single pole, set a row of them, like caveletti, or when they get bigger, basic grids. Before Cinnamon can do that though, you need to get her fit, and moving with a lot more energy and impulsion.

I know sometimes it can seem like you are being "attacked" on here, but coming online, especially on critique, you're asking for honest opinions from experienced people, and that's what you got. I think this forum can be a great resource, but you can't get offended and defensive at every turn.
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