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        01-20-2009, 06:30 PM
      #11
    Foal
    Your run was not the worst that I have seen, but here are just a few pointers for you. First off, you need to calm your hands a bit when running him. I noticed that a throughout the run, your hands are all over the place. If you try and keep them calm, your horse will respond better to your cues. Secondly, I noticed that he is popping his shoulder and it looked like he was not always on the correct lead through the pattern. Try slowing it down, and taking the pattern at a walk/trot, this will help you see what he is doing. I agree with Harlee that doing work to get him collected will really help you out a lot. The last thing that I noticed was your seat. From what I saw, you had a tendency to bounce around a lot during the pattern. You really need to plant your butt and sit when he is coming around the barrel. When you steady your body, you are going to have an all together more smooth run. I am not trying to pick on you, just trying to give you some ideas.
         
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        01-20-2009, 07:02 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Talking

    I wouldnt think you were tryin to pick on me at all. I did ask for a critique after all.

    I thought my hands we good throughout the video. The only time they really move around was coming into the first barrel where I was tapping the inside rein to get his nose. (If you don't ask for his nose heading into the first he...well...won't turn) Or coming out of the second and third barrel where I finish out the turn. Just trying to figure out where my hands were all over the place.

    And, yes he went into the third barrel on the wrong lead. He's never been a horse that I worried about leads on because he switches to easily. Although it does make it easier for him to want to drop his shoulder into the turn. A lot of that is my fault. When I first starte barrel racing I had a tendacy to come in wide into the third barrel and, so, that was how he learned the pattern. So now that I've gotten out of that habit I had to teach him to as well. Not so easy. As soon as he comes out of the second he aims for the oversized pocket at the third. So he got into the habit of switching his lead to the right lead to get over there. He doesnt always switch to the right but he will every once in a while. Slow work won't change it. He never gets the wrong lead in his slow work. Its just him anticipating.

    I already explained the collection issue.

    Its strange that you say I need to sit down more. Most say I need to get up more.
    Now, the only barrel I didnt sit down on was the second barrel. That is because he was trying to drop his shoulder. Badly. Lol So I had to get up more to get him past the barrel decently. Now, I have a rather bad habit of not getting up behind the third barrel, causing me to get left behind the horse and catch him. I think the reasoning for this is because the way the I train is that I complete the third barrel by continuing to the fence line. Meaning I stay in the "turning position" with is down with a deeper seat. I think I just get so used to sitting longer rather than getting up and asking him to move out.

    Just so you know, I'm not giving excuses. I'm trying to figure this out. While I'm not competing on him anymore I will be competing on other horses and I don't mind progressing as a rider. So if you'll explain, I'd be happy to listen...or um...read.
         
        01-20-2009, 07:53 PM
      #13
    Started
    I'd rather have my horse be a bit lazy! :)

    Blu swings his butt around too soon so he's practically charging the barrel.
         
        01-20-2009, 08:00 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BluMagic    
    I'd rather have my horse be a bit lazy! :)

    Blu swings his butt around too soon so he's practically charging the barrel.

    Haha... well I normally do. But for barrels I like a horse who loves his job and wants to run it. I really hate having to send a horse who I have to push the whole way. This little buckskin is actually a pretty lazy horse. He just knows when I want him to run.
         
        01-20-2009, 09:39 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    I agree with Newheart on the issues of hands and seat. In between the second and third and on your run home; you are flapping your elbows and pumping your hands. You are also moving against your horse and 'whumping' on his back inbetween the 2nd and 3rd, around the 3rd and back home. Your third barrel and run back also look especially rough as you have a lot of upper body movement, which could stem from your seat issues. It looks as though you need to work on strengthening your base. As for people telling you that you sit too deep, I would vehemently disagree. When going around a barrel there is no such thing as a seat too deep, that is the reason we grab the horn. Grabbing the horn should deepen and secure your seat. As far as getting left behind, if your seat is deep, secure and balanced it shouldn't happen. Yes, you want to get up out of the saddle on the stretches but otherwise you want your butt in that saddle.
         
        01-20-2009, 10:11 PM
      #16
    Foal
    I think you are headed in the right in direction, I do agree with Onetoomany that sitting deep is going to help you make that turn. My old mare was really strong coming off her first barrel, I had to learn to sit deep, yet move with her at the same time. If that makes sense? Sitting deep is going to help you steady your body, better securing your seat. As far as your training goes, for your future horses it may be a good idea to start forming your pocket right away, instead of running past to the fence line. This way you are teaching them right off the bat where they need to be setting the turn vs. having to go back and re-teach them. I hope I made some sense, good luck to you.
         
        01-20-2009, 10:44 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Looks extremly well to me my horse has his own still on his turns too good though really impressed
         
        01-21-2009, 02:38 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NewHeart    
    I think you are headed in the right in direction, I do agree with Onetoomany that sitting deep is going to help you make that turn. My old mare was really strong coming off her first barrel, I had to learn to sit deep, yet move with her at the same time. If that makes sense? Sitting deep is going to help you steady your body, better securing your seat. As far as your training goes, for your future horses it may be a good idea to start forming your pocket right away, instead of running past to the fence line. This way you are teaching them right off the bat where they need to be setting the turn vs. having to go back and re-teach them. I hope I made some sense, good luck to you.

    Well I started barrel racing a couple years ago and had to teach both myself and the horse I was riding. Naturally I'm going to make mistakes. I know now the problems with how I started him and have fixed most of his issues on the pattern.
    The only really bad one is him wanting to jump out into the pocket at the third barrel to early so you have to think "straight" the whole way to the third, then about two strides before the barrel, let him jump out. I think maybe you were confused on what I had said. I finish the barrel out by continuing on the the fence. So far I've noticed that this is the BEST way to teach the third barrel. I never have a problem with any of the horses I ride wanting to bow out on the third because I teach them to finish it.

    Oh and, just so y'all know... Between the second and third... I didnt have my outside on the reins (which is where I believe y'all thought I was pumping my hands and catching his mouth) I was just slapping him on the neck. Lol... I don't quite have the coordination to reach back for the over under. And I DO NOT pump with my hands. I DO NOT pump with my hands. That is my number one pet peeve ever! Lol

    Now, I am catching him out of the third because I'm getting left behind. And I am pumping my upper body too much coming out of the third. Mostly because this horse wont run hard unless there's an open alley way...or at the very least a pattern that's a normal size. Haha.
    But I'm still having trouble seeing me not sitting deep enough. Do you guys have any video's of what you mean. I'm a visual learner.
    Gracias!
         
        01-21-2009, 03:38 PM
      #19
    Foal
    I am glad to hear to that you realize that pumping your hands is completely irrelevant. It absolutely drives me crazy when I see girls doing that. I wish more people understood that they are not making their horse go any faster, they just look like morons who don't know how to ride or run a decent pattern. Unfortunately enough, I don't have any videos, but if you go on youtube you should be able to find some. Look up Tammy Key Fisher and watch her NFR run. The video is crappy, but you should be able to see how she really sits down and positions herself coming off of the barrel. That should help to give you some insight as to what I was trying to get at.
         
        01-21-2009, 03:54 PM
      #20
    Trained
    I've never been taught correct technique for barrel racing so no critique from me. I just wanted to say very nice horse! And it looks like you are having a lot of fun which is great!
         

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