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Black and white or brown....

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This is my lil huy Salem.Both his parents are registered black and white and hes **** for black But the sun fades it to brown BIGTIME.Think it will darken as the summer comes on?
 

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He'll fade if he stays out in the sun. Unless you show is it that big of a deal? You can use paprika but you would have needed to start before the shed to really get it to work well.

Black as Knight has paprika and is super expensive, so regular paprika works fine (better if you do it before they start shedding).
 
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He'll fade if he stays out in the sun. Unless you show is it that big of a deal? You can use paprika but you would have needed to start before the shed to really get it to work well.

Black as Knight has paprika and is super expensive, so regular paprika works fine (better if you do it before they start shedding).
I dont plan on showing,I was just wondering.Especialy when I go to register him,I dont wanna register him black if he isnt.
 
#7 ·
Thats strange I have a registered Black and White Paint and she never fades. We live in the desert as well and she spends most of her time, actually all of it, out in the sun and she never fades. She isnt on any supplements or anything. I think he may be a brown cause true black doesnt fade. At least I dont think.
 
#12 ·
Maybe that has something to do with the minerals in the rocks and dirt where you live.Your horse could be getting extra stuff from the ground.....just a guess.
 
#10 ·
Black as Knight is a feed through supplement that helps keep dark horses from bleaching out in the sunlight. I'm using it for the first time with my dark bay and so far he's much darker than he was this time last year. I think you have to start it before the sun gets strong. Probably too late to start this year.
 
#11 ·
Thanks everyone! Like I said,I dont plan on showing but I do want some nice pics for his registration.I may Stud him out later if he keeps a quiet temperment.
 
#13 ·
Stud? His conformation is not stud quality. He'll make a nice looking gelding, but from the pictures, not a stud. I'm sure you already know but keeping a stud should be done based on conformation as well as tempermant.
 
#14 ·
There's no such thing as "true" black. Black can be either fading or non-fading, neither one makes them any more or any less "black". Genetically they are still black. Non-fading black is quite a bit more rare then fading black, which gives us the horses that sunbleach.

I don't understand how you can know he's homozygous for black and yet not KNOW if he's black. He can't be homozygous for black if he ISN'T black, so if he IS homozygous, then he's obviously black. Two black and white parents don't automatically make a foal homozygous for black. ROFL. That was a mouthful.

If his parents truly were black, then the only color he could possibly be is black. The only other possibility would be chestnut, which he obviously isn't.

Fading doesn't mean anything, my girl is black tobiano and you'd swear she's bay from the color of her flank spots (her head is totally black though and both her parents are also black).
 
#16 ·
There's no such thing as "true" black. Black can be either fading or non-fading, neither one makes them any more or any less "black". Genetically they are still black. Non-fading black is quite a bit more rare then fading black, which gives us the horses that sunbleach.

I don't understand how you can know he's homozygous for black and yet not KNOW if he's black. He can't be homozygous for black if he ISN'T black, so if he IS homozygous, then he's obviously black. Two black and white parents don't automatically make a foal homozygous for black. ROFL. That was a mouthful.

If his parents truly were black, then the only color he could possibly be is black. The only other possibility would be chestnut, which he obviously isn't.

Fading doesn't mean anything, my girl is black tobiano and you'd swear she's bay from the color of her flank spots (her head is totally black though and both her parents are also black).
I was told hes **** for black and I have his fathers papers but waiting on the mothers.People arent always honest and of course I wondered if maybe someone was fibbing a little about his genetics.
 
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I had a black horse to and he would also fade in the summer, I did not now that there was a supplement for that.
 
#23 ·
Its not even really a big deal.I got him because I loved his sweetness and more than likely he will be my very best lil trail buddy.Im not into "horse politics" like showing and even breeding is a bit more than Im looking for,it was just a thought.I just love the lil guy.
 
#29 ·
I would NEVER do any dealings with someone I didnt trust.I wanted to breed my American Bulldog a while back but didnt cause the ppl who inquired didnt seem like they would take very good care of the puppies.I dispise ppl who look at any animal and see dollar signs so that really hit a nerve.I took Salem cause hes so sweet,not cause he might be worth something.
 
#37 ·
First off I was correcting the statement that I bolded from your post.
You are right, black and black will = either sorrel(7%) or black.
However, it is not uncommon for brown or bay horses to be called black, which would lead to 60%+ chance of getting another bay. Lower for black and less for sorrel.
If one was black and the other was bay with homozygous black gene it would be 75%bay, 25% black.

Where was I wrong? What advice do I need to follow? I was merely correting you that he can't be **** black if he ISNT black. I think you are the one who needs to lighten up on the "snobbing off."
 
#38 ·
I understand.And thanks Solon for explaining and being patient.There are some "Feisty" ppl round here and you really shouldnt have to explain for them but I appreciate it.
 
#39 ·
I'm sorry for making assumptions and jumping on you. It's just an extremely stressful time for horses, and you really made yourself sound like you were just interested in stud fees. I'm not saying that people will breed for slaughter babies, I'm saying that when badly conformed cheap foals are born and people decide they don't want them anymore, they DO end up on slaughter trucks. So please just keep that in mind.
 
#43 ·
Black totally. My first ever horse was a youngster basically just like your's. She would get out in the sun, and out of nowhere that brown would just show up.

One solution to fixing that is to turn the horse out in the nighttime, and not let her stay so much out in the sun. Or, supplements help, A LOT.
 
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