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    06-06-2010, 10:49 AM
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I Cantered Cinny for the first time yesterday, it felt like a train wreck ha ha. I thought he was trying to get his head to buck, but looking at the video I think he just wanted his head. Overall it was very very vertical and he felt like he was crow hopping more than cantering....watching the vid I now see he wasn't.

Remember, Cinny is a Green Reclaim. In this vid I am riding him with an indian knotted hackamore and it's what he does best in. Once we get comfortable under saddle and working well, we will work on bitting.

Oh, and I was also trying out a used saddle I might buy so at the walk I am talking to my fiance' (videotaping) about the saddle.

My own critiques....

1) I need to loose um....50 pounds

2) I need a HELMET on

3) I need to relax and give him his head

4) I Lean a bit too forward at the posting trot

5) I need to relax more at the canter and give him his head and stop being a scared baby ha ha.

     
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    06-06-2010, 10:55 AM
  #2
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Oh, and sorry vid bad....Rob accidentally put it on low res!
     
    06-06-2010, 10:59 AM
  #3
Green Broke
I'm no good at critiques, especially of riders, but Cinny seems VERY uncomfortable in that vid, I think you really want to have someone who knows what they are doing check out your saddle - to my his body language is saying it's ouchy. And you definitely need to get out of his face - even with the indian hack you are still yanking his face off while asking him to canter - driving with the brakes on. I'm kinda glad there isn't a bit in his mouth there! How come you are riding him one handed there? I understand it being the first time on him and you are nervous. But definitely lighten up your hands and get your saddle checked out.
     
    06-06-2010, 11:14 AM
  #4
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Originally Posted by Indyhorse    
I'm no good at critiques, especially of riders, but Cinny seems VERY uncomfortable in that vid, I think you really want to have someone who knows what they are doing check out your saddle - to my his body language is saying it's ouchy.
Thank you, I think I can see the possible discomfort in the saddle too. I probably won't buy it.
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Originally Posted by Indyhorse    
And you definitely need to get out of his face - even with the indian hack you are still yanking his face off while asking him to canter - driving with the brakes on. I'm kinda glad there isn't a bit in his mouth there! How come you are riding him one handed there? I understand it being the first time on him and you are nervous. But definitely lighten up your hands and get your saddle checked out.
Riding one handed because I have discovered that he neck reins like a dream...so I felt more in control this way. I think I still have in the back of my mind that he threw his previous owner and it's doing bad things with my mind....and my seat.

I agree, I really need to relax, get out of his face. Although this isn't my first time riding him, it is the first time I have asked him for a canter. It really was an eye opener because it really exaggerated the things I really need to work on with myself.
     
    06-06-2010, 11:28 AM
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I agree with indy on the saddle. Its hard to tell in the picture but cinnys face says it all. Something is bothering him and with all that 'tail talking' I would guess its that saddle. I wont even mention the getting in his face thing...you noticed it right off. It can be hard to trust a reclaim with its head but eventually you just have to do it. It took me a while (i had a 'reclaimer' too) but now that I did...he is so much more relaxed on that loose rein.

The canter looks a lil 'jumpy' to me but if this is the first time he has cantered with you on...it looked pretty ok to me. He is a very forward mover...his walk is like a power walk! As far as the trot...why not sit it until he gets comfortable moving out.

One last thing...i don't know him well enough to tell but if im interpretting my horse speak right...he hates that hackamore. When ridden on a tight rein, a hack can really do some damage...what did he ride on before? What did he do before? I thought I saw a peek of a lope there...was he trained western and you are trying to switch?

Now on to the nice part...
1) if you need to lose 50, I need to lose 100...dont get down about the weight...i like to think that the camera adds 10 pounds...to each leg and another 20 to my hind end!

2) I think your horse wants to do right by you. He seems very willing and really does want to try. He doesnt seem to resent your cues and he listens pretty well for possibly being uncomfortable.

3) He has beautiful straight-forward movement and a he's a real cutie...

Good luck! I hope this helped!
     
    06-06-2010, 11:36 AM
  #6
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Saddle looked too small for you regardless what the horse thought. Your stirrups are too long also. Are you taking lessons? I would find a good instructor to help you as your posting and control needs alot of work.
     
    06-06-2010, 11:42 AM
  #7
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Originally Posted by corinowalk    
I agree with indy on the saddle. Its hard to tell in the picture but cinnys face says it all. Something is bothering him and with all that 'tail talking' I would guess its that saddle. I wont even mention the getting in his face thing...you noticed it right off. It can be hard to trust a reclaim with its head but eventually you just have to do it. It took me a while (i had a 'reclaimer' too) but now that I did...he is so much more relaxed on that loose rein.

The canter looks a lil 'jumpy' to me but if this is the first time he has cantered with you on...it looked pretty ok to me. He is a very forward mover...his walk is like a power walk! As far as the trot...why not sit it until he gets comfortable moving out.

One last thing...i don't know him well enough to tell but if im interpretting my horse speak right...he hates that hackamore. When ridden on a tight rein, a hack can really do some damage...what did he ride on before? What did he do before? I thought I saw a peek of a lope there...was he trained western and you are trying to switch?

Now on to the nice part...
1) if you need to lose 50, I need to lose 100...dont get down about the weight...i like to think that the camera adds 10 pounds...to each leg and another 20 to my hind end!

2) I think your horse wants to do right by you. He seems very willing and really does want to try. He doesnt seem to resent your cues and he listens pretty well for possibly being uncomfortable.

3) He has beautiful straight-forward movement and a he's a real cutie...

Good luck! I hope this helped!
I'm not sure what he did before. The lady I got him from said he had 30 days pro training about 5 years ago. I asked who trained him, she doesn't remember. He sat in pasture with him mommy till last summer when she started riding him on trail. After about a month he dumped her and she never got on again. I know she rode western but that's about it. I asked what kind of bit she used she said she didn't know, it was the one that came with the bridle. I have had him in a plain full cheek snaffle as I am trying to switch him but he doesn't direct rein at all. This puzzles my trainer friend and she's trying to figure out how they taught him to neck rein without ever direct reining him.

I have used the hackamore a few times...and it isn't like a normal mechanical with a cub chain and all, just knotted rope. Since this was the first time cantering, and he neck reins like a dream, I thought this would be more appropriate because I had a feeling I might get in his face if I felt like he was going to take me for more of a ride than I wanted...so I opted to stay out of his mouth.

Does this info help?
     
    06-06-2010, 11:44 AM
  #8
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About the saddle, I'm pretty sure it's a few inches too small for you which probably isn't helping you be effective or him be comfortable. :)

If it's any consolation to you, if he threw his last owner, his last owner must have been a terrible rider or must have done something really stupid because most of the horses I know, if they were looking as uncomfortable as he was right there, would have tried to throw you right there. And since he didn't even really try anything funny, just looked super uncomfortable, I'd bet that you'll have to work hard to get him to throw you. :)

*hugs* I totally understand how you're feeling. I still remember the fourth day I had Lacey (back when she was certifiably psycho) when this dumb girl decided to tack her up and ride her without lunging her first and without asking me. I discovered them right as the girl climbed on and Lacey bolted, bucking as hard as she could until the girl came off. After that I was terrified of riding her. Lacey would jump around a little and I would get right off. Eventually, I realized that it really wasn't Lacey's fault and that I needed to trust her. Yknow what happened once I started trusting her? She started calming right down. Now I make it a point of doing things that give me less control with her sometimes just to show myself "look, you have a good horse, she could take off right now and there would be no stopping her, but she's turning off just your leg even though she desperately wants to go the other direction." Currently, I'm the only person that's ridden Lacey more than once that hasn't fallen off her, and I've ridden her more than anyone else in the last 2 years! So, have a little faith in Cinny, and yourself. I think once you loosen up and bring your energy down, you two will be just fine. :)

Another thought: if he neckreins, have you tried riding him in a western saddle? I tried to make Lacey go english for the first year and a half, but one day I decided, out of the blue, to tack her up in a western saddle. She was trained as a dressage horse, way back in the day, so I'm pretty sure she's never had extensive time in a western saddle. Well, she took to the western saddle like it was her new best friend. She started getting calmer and moving better, it was just an all around change. Personally, I still prefer english but since Lacey doesn't, I'm going to go with what she wants since it's not just a little preference, she really obviously prefers western.

Good luck! :)
     
    06-06-2010, 11:46 AM
  #9
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
Saddle looked too small for you regardless what the horse thought. Your stirrups are too long also. Are you taking lessons? I would find a good instructor to help you as your posting and control needs alot of work.
Thank you, I agree the saddle was too small. I am glad I was able to try it before buying it.

This is where my stirrups are comfortable, if I go a whole shorter the outsides my knees start to KILL me. Maybe this is because something else is wrong with my seat??
     
    06-06-2010, 11:47 AM
  #10
Green Broke
Hackamores can be very painfull if used incorrectly. At your level I would not use one
     

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