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    07-02-2010, 08:23 PM
  #1
Green Broke
Brutal Honesty Accepted Here Part II (1 month later)

I know we still need a LOT of work but I think maybe there are some improvements. The first video was a month ago... the second video was today.

Changes made
1) I now have an 18.5 inch forward seat. It feels to big and like I swim in it, but in the video it looks like it still may be slightly too small.

2) I've lost some weight.

3) working on staying out of his face

4) using a fulmer instead of a hackamore

5) NOT cantering and don't plan to until we have more balance with each other

6) I believe I have a bit more balance and seat strength

7) I am wearing a helmet.

Remember, vid 1 has already been critiqued, I just put it in so you can see a before and after and know more where Cin and I were a month ago. Wow, watching that again is really PAINFUL...poor Cinny

June 5

Today (July 2)He is still a bit off balance going counter clockwise so he fights with me a bit more, plus he likes to go for that side gait for some reason. Also, just outside the other gate Pony Posse was having their end of camp show so there was a LOT of commotion, I'm so proud of him for not getting all riled up.

This is what I see in Vid 2
1) Thumbs up, I have piano hands
2) saddle may still be an odd fit????
3) BAD BAD BAD hands! They need to be more quiet

What do you see? Is there ANY improvement at all?

I start working with a trainer after the 15th yay. That's when her schedule has some openings.
     
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    07-02-2010, 08:37 PM
  #2
Showing
One thing you might try to help keep your hands still is to put a bit more bend in your elbows and keep them closer to your sides. I don't know if that would work or if it's even proper but it is an idea. There is definite improvement between the 2 videos and though there is still work to be done, you are already on the right road. You have a bit of a chair seat but I don't know enough about english saddles to know if that is an adjustment problem or what. You are making progress but it takes a long time to develop that feel and coordination where you can post a trot, pick up a rein, apply leg, and control speed all at the same time successfully. Shoot, I have been riding nearly every day for more than 20 years and I am just now really focusing on my feel and realizing how much I still have to learn. Just keep with it and I am glad that you have found a trainer than can help both you and Cinny out to make each other more comfortable.

Edited to add: One thing that I try to work on is when I ride, I try not to use my shoulders at all to cue or pick up a rein. I use only my hands and wrists. I have a loose enough hold on the reins that often, a simply clench of the fist will give sufficient cue and if it isn't enough, a bend of the wrist is.
     
    07-02-2010, 08:51 PM
  #3
Weanling
I see huge improvements. Way to go, it's obvious you've put a lot of time and work into your riding. Now you will feel a lot more confident working with a trainer while you polish up and have more hands-on help.

Is it just me or does Cinny look a little stiff/ ouchy in his hind end? ?....
     
    07-02-2010, 08:53 PM
  #4
Weanling
Much better! Obviously, it's a long road with many small steps, but you are making progress! You and Cinny both look more unbalanced counterclockwise than clockwise, but you also both look considerably more relaxed than the older video most of the time. . . Congrats, and keep up the good work!
     
    07-02-2010, 09:17 PM
  #5
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by BrewCrew    
Is it just me or does Cinny look a little stiff/ ouchy in his hind end? ?....
I think he was off a bit today. I kept the workout SUPER light. He has been stretching his back/hind end out weird almost like he has to pee but then doesn't. He is in the barn for the night in the "watch" stall (a special stall they have set up with a video monitor that goes to the BO's house). I am going to check on him in an hour too. Tomorrow I am cleaning his sheath and if he doesn't improve I am calling a vet as a few people think it may be a bladder infection.
     
    07-02-2010, 09:19 PM
  #6
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by smrobs    

One thing that I try to work on is when I ride, I try not to use my shoulders at all to cue or pick up a rein. I use only my hands and wrists. I have a loose enough hold on the reins that often, a simply clench of the fist will give sufficient cue and if it isn't enough, a bend of the wrist is.
Ah yes...I seem to remember that I USED to ride that way. I guess that is yet anther thing that is no longer in my "muscle memory" lol. Definitely something to keep reminding myself to do when I ride.
     
    07-03-2010, 05:26 AM
  #7
Foal
I wonder if shortening your stirrup will help with your leg position. You're falling behind, causing your feet to move forward. More weight in your heel and a tighter leg will help in balance, and at the posting trot. What I had to do to correct my leg position is basically force myself to keep my feet underneath me. Technically you should be able to pull the horse out form underneath you, and land on you feet. In vid. 2 youd land on your bum. But I see obvious improvement from vid 1 and 2. :) Lookn' good! Keep up the hard work and that leg position!
     
    07-03-2010, 09:35 AM
  #8
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Cheezeit32    
I wonder if shortening your stirrup will help with your leg position. You're falling behind, causing your feet to move forward. More weight in your heel and a tighter leg will help in balance, and at the posting trot. What I had to do to correct my leg position is basically force myself to keep my feet underneath me. Technically you should be able to pull the horse out form underneath you, and land on you feet. In vid. 2 youd land on your bum. But I see obvious improvement from vid 1 and 2. :) Lookn' good! Keep up the hard work and that leg position!
I see what you are talking about. When I have my stirrup one hole shorter it KILLS both my knees and brings me more into a "chair"position. When I look in the mirror my stirrup leathers are actually straight down. I know when I cue with my legs they tend to go a tad behind me.

I agree, this needs a LOT more attention!
     
    07-03-2010, 11:41 AM
  #9
Foal
I still think the saddle is too small for you (and maybe the horse a little light for your weight) and apologies if I've got this wrong, but if you want to do dressage, why go for a forward cut rather than straight cut saddle? A straight cut will help you get your legs in the right position, as would shortening your stirrups, because then your feet would be brought back underneath you, instead of sticking out to the front. As it is, you are being thrown forwards/leaning forwards in trot because the stirrups are too long and you are unbalanced, causing you to land back hard on the cantle...ouch! That's said, there's a huge improvement from the first attempt, which made me wince in pain You should be able to draw a straight vertical line from the top of your head through your shoulders, hips and heels, so trying imagining you are being drawn up like a puppet along that line, with your tail bone tucked in. Doing some exercises to improve your core muscles would help too.

Why one handed? If you can't maintain contact with the horse's mouth, then you really should be going back to basics, looking at the bit and trying to get a contact accepted. With your legs in the position they are, there's no way Cinny could understand 'move off the leg' aid for steering and I think continuing to neck rein just because you get the response you need will just confuse the issue, sorry If you want to ride english, you certainly don't want to be bending your wrists

As others have said, there IS a big improvement but if I were you I would be lunging or longreining until lessons start, I suspect that your horse may have tweaked a muscle in his back on the nearside perhaps?

PS Well, you did say brutal honesty!
     
    07-03-2010, 01:34 PM
  #10
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Count Jackula    
I still think the saddle is too small for you (and maybe the horse a little light for your weight) and apologies if I've got this wrong, but if you want to do dressage, why go for a forward cut rather than straight cut saddle?
I am starting out dressage to get our basics down but as I lose weight and he gains balance, muscle and experience I do want to start him over fences if he seems to go okay in that direction. Don't worry, until I'm a more appropriate weight he will be worked on fences by one of our "Pony Posse" members at the stable who is outgrowing her pony. She has asked me to let her use him until she finds the PERFECT hunter and gets it going. I am thinking this will benefit her and my horse both.

The reason I have the saddle I have now is in the first vid I was still in my 16 inch from YEARS ago and um, it was a HUGE problem for me and Cinny. I found an 18.5" forward seat for 50 bucks so I grabbed it but I feel like I am SWIMING in it. It has no knee rolls, no blocks, NOTHING so I slide a bit. I use it on the "dead broke" horse I also ride to help my seat and tell myself how great it will be when I can ride perfectly without the rolls/blocks and then finally get a saddle that does. I feel like now that I at least have one I can work in now I can save for a really nice quality saddle that I can stick with when I decide what direction I am going in with Cin.

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Originally Posted by Count Jackula    
Why one handed? If you can't maintain contact with the horse's mouth, then you really should be going back to basics, looking at the bit and trying to get a contact accepted. With your legs in the position they are, there's no way Cinny could understand 'move off the leg' aid for steering and I think continuing to neck rein just because you get the response you need will just confuse the issue, sorry If you want to ride english, you certainly don't want to be bending your wrists
I don't ride one handed. The first video I did because I had a hackamore and Cinny would only steer if neck reined. In the second video you will see I have a Fulmer on him and using two hands, and he is starting to yield to my legs aids with little rein.

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Originally Posted by Count Jackula    
As others have said, there IS a big improvement but if I were you I would be lunging or longreining until lessons start, I suspect that your horse may have tweaked a muscle in his back on the nearside perhaps?
His back has been checked by the vet and the chiro as my new trainer will not take on any horse that is NOT on a chiro program and cleared by the chiro for work. One of the things I like about his trainer, always thinking about the horse itself. She has worked with him and says that he is clearly off balance on one side and we believe it's because the person who has owned him since he was a foal only ever worked him one direction when she did work him. I was told this before I bought him. We are doing a LOT of lunge work with him, in fact he is worked more on the lunge right now than he is under saddle.



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Originally Posted by Count Jackula    
PS Well, you did say brutal honesty!
Not that bad, I've had a LOT worse ha ha ha..
     

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