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    05-22-2011, 10:36 PM
  #1
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This is me cantering Secret. My first ever video. I love to canter. It is so fun. I know it is hard to critique but no one here has ever seen me ride.
. I know when I come close to my mom (taking the vid) I look horrible. I know, it is hard to see but Secret was tired and was partially barn sour and like half spooks/jumps at the gate and that corner so yeah, I wasn't balanced.

Err, I can write a 5 page essay on how my legs suck but I know how good you are at critiquing so voila! Here is the vid!!!!
     
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    05-22-2011, 11:12 PM
  #2
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Why did you pick that spot to canter?

I just made a post on the disadvantages of starting a canter coming out of a corner and facing the long side. While your horse did not run away ( like the problem the other rider had) your horse went on the wrong lead both times.

I am sure the rest will tell you what I already see, YOU as the rider need to set the horse up to succeed.
     
    05-23-2011, 09:26 AM
  #3
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Why???

Because this horse is a beginner horse and will gladly give pony rides, give lessons to beginners, ect. She doesn't canter much and has problems picking up the right lead. As I am just learning, I listen to my instructor. She is in the close corner that you can see really good and that is why my mare cuts that corner. My horse is not even close to conditioned in the canter. She won't even canter on a straight line. We are working on this as I canter every lesson even if I am jumping or something. And why may I ask is it bad to get the canter from a corner? I know that you might think that but my instructor told me to do so and my mare cantered. I know you are trying to help but my mare never canters and her canter is SOOOO bumpy. She is horrible. If she is on the wrong lead, one time I like bounced and land to the side and just like completely fell. It was horrible and her canter requires PERFECT balance. I know my mare and if I ask on the long side my mare will just like do a really fast trot that is quite scary. Kinda of like a very slow tolt. Like you can feel her legs going to fast. Yeah, kinda like that, as I haven't even ridin a tolt .
     
    05-23-2011, 10:28 AM
  #4
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Originally Posted by fuadteagan    
Because this horse is a beginner horse and will gladly give pony rides, give lessons to beginners, ect. She doesn't canter much and has problems picking up the right lead. As I am just learning, I listen to my instructor. She is in the close corner that you can see really good and that is why my mare cuts that corner. My horse is not even close to conditioned in the canter. She won't even canter on a straight line. We are working on this as I canter every lesson even if I am jumping or something. And why may I ask is it bad to get the canter from a corner? I know that you might think that but my instructor told me to do so and my mare cantered. I know you are trying to help but my mare never canters and her canter is SOOOO bumpy. She is horrible. If she is on the wrong lead, one time I like bounced and land to the side and just like completely fell. It was horrible and her canter requires PERFECT balance. I know my mare and if I ask on the long side my mare will just like do a really fast trot that is quite scary. Kinda of like a very slow tolt. Like you can feel her legs going to fast. Yeah, kinda like that, as I haven't even ridin a tolt .

Here is what I posted on the other thread.

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Originally Posted by Spyder    
As I suspected.

So you ask for a canter when there is a nice huge space for the horse to have.

This is what separates the beginner riders from those that think ahead.

A straight line is your horse's friend...a curved line is YOUR friend.

So asking for a canter when coming into the short side ( or ends) of the arena limits the space available for the horse to run...count advantage to the rider. This also give the rider time to make adjustments should they choose to proceed down the longer side where the advantage goes to the horse.

Be prepared to circle ANYWHERE along the long side to bring back the advantage to you. If the horse breaks canter DON'T rush it back but PICK your spot where YOU have the most advantage. And use the trot to gain control again.

This is called thinking riding.
The key in your case is to have asked for the canter GOING INTO the first corner...in other words you would have asked coming towards the camera.

If you look at the beginner dressage tests they are set up to go from what is the easiest to the hardest degree of difficulty. The first time the canter is introduced it is on the short side and is asked for it in the corner GOING into the short side of the arena...not at the corner going OUT of the short side and down the long side.

In other words it is designed for the horse at its easiest point and set up for the horse/rider to succeed.

As far as your instructor..I won't comment.
     
    05-23-2011, 10:48 AM
  #5
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Well, you pick up the wrong lead both times. Also you post the trot with your hands, you move them up and down with your body. Try and keep your hands still while you are trotting. Another thing, when your horse picks up the canter, you lean really far back. Try and keep your upper body still and move your body with the horse.

I couldnt really see anything else about your legs or position in the video.
     
    05-23-2011, 11:04 AM
  #6
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Originally Posted by ErikaLynn    
Well, you pick up the wrong lead both times. Also you post the trot with your hands, you move them up and down with your body. Try and keep your hands still while you are trotting. Another thing, when your horse picks up the canter, you lean really far back. Try and keep your upper body still and move your body with the horse.

I couldnt really see anything else about your legs or position in the video.
Thank you.I know I picked up the wrong lead as I am just learning and this was about my 3rd lesson actually cantering at all. I cantered alot this lesson. I will try to keep my hands down. My horses canter is the bumpiest canter that you'll ever ride. I have to lean back as if I don't I'll bounce forward and fall over her shoulder. Trust me, I thought the same thing. I look really weird.. When we start working with her canter then I'll post another vid. I really have to lean back and not really move with her or I'll end up on the ground. I know, how is that possible? Oh, you can balance. You need to work on that.. and so on but really it is horrible and as she is a beginner horse, she doesn't canter much. Reason I am on a beginner horse: I work really good with her and I love her. Been riding her for two years. I have ridden a few other horses but she calms me alot and makes me more comfortable.
     
    05-23-2011, 11:11 AM
  #7
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
Here is what I posted on the other thread.



The key in your case is to have asked for the canter GOING INTO the first corner...in other words you would have asked coming towards the camera.

If you look at the beginner dressage tests they are set up to go from what is the easiest to the hardest degree of difficulty. The first time the canter is introduced it is on the short side and is asked for it in the corner GOING into the short side of the arena...not at the corner going OUT of the short side and down the long side.

In other words it is designed for the horse at its easiest point and set up for the horse/rider to succeed.

As far as your instructor..I won't comment.
My instructor said pick up the canter in a corner when your ready. I was ready and cantered. I will keep this in my mind and do this. But I have to learn how to get my horse on a straight line from a canter down the long side,also. Say I'm in a pleasure class and I am coming to the corner before the long side and they say canter. I canter at the corner and Secret canters all crooked. I need to learn to correct her rather than predicting that I will always be asked to canter at a corner before the short side and not the long side. . Yes, I can prepare and yes, she will learn to canter on a straight line more but still, I need to know how to straighten her out even if she is having a "O hey, I'm a crazy morgan" day.
     
    05-23-2011, 11:19 AM
  #8
Yearling
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Originally Posted by fuadteagan    
Thank you.I know I picked up the wrong lead as I am just learning and this was about my 3rd lesson actually cantering at all. I cantered alot this lesson. I will try to keep my hands down. My horses canter is the bumpiest canter that you'll ever ride. I have to lean back as if I don't I'll bounce forward and fall over her shoulder. Trust me, I thought the same thing. I look really weird.. When we start working with her canter then I'll post another vid. I really have to lean back and not really move with her or I'll end up on the ground. I know, how is that possible? Oh, you can balance. You need to work on that.. and so on but really it is horrible and as she is a beginner horse, she doesn't canter much. Reason I am on a beginner horse: I work really good with her and I love her. Been riding her for two years. I have ridden a few other horses but she calms me alot and makes me more comfortable.

Don't keep your hands down...keep a your elbow bent and kind of carry your hands. You don't want them buried in the withers or you will lose all control.

How is it possible you can't move with the horse? Usually if you move with the horse you are able to stay more balanced and if you work against the horses motion, that's when you hit the ground.

You feel so off balance at the canter, why not have a lesson on a lunge line? You should have no reins and no stirrups, and grab with one hand on the front and the other hand on the back of the saddle. That way you will get a good feel for her canter and not have to worry too much on trying to keep her under control. You will be able to feel that "rocking horse" motion a lot better, and it will help you to move with the horse.
     
    05-23-2011, 11:45 AM
  #9
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Originally Posted by fuadteagan    
My instructor said pick up the canter in a corner when your ready. I was ready and cantered. I will keep this in my mind and do this. But I have to learn how to get my horse on a straight line from a canter down the long side,also. Say I'm in a pleasure class and I am coming to the corner before the long side and they say canter. I canter at the corner and Secret canters all crooked. I need to learn to correct her rather than predicting that I will always be asked to canter at a corner before the short side and not the long side. . Yes, I can prepare and yes, she will learn to canter on a straight line more but still, I need to know how to straighten her out even if she is having a "O hey, I'm a crazy morgan" day.
Yes you need to correct her but you must take it in steps.

If you have been riding her for 2 years,then that is adequate time for her to have learned to canter correctly.

If however you always ask when she is not ready then you simply compound the problem. And repeating everything the same with no correction simply makes things worse.

It seems to me that you don't know how to correct her and I gave you one way. Just not cantering her too much will not help and she is bumpy because she has no balance in the canter is on the wrong lead ( and that is very uncomfortable) and you don't look into that to correct.

Here is in part what I see when you DID ask for the canter. You had some contact in the first corner but when you asked for the canter you dropped it, she ran into the second corner to come down the long side, fell on her inside shoulder ( probably to make it easier for her to pick up her preferred lead) the swung her haunches out and picked up the wrong lead. You stopped her at the end when she had come way off the fence line and you never made any correction for an incorrect response to you asking for, I ASSUME a LEFT lead canter.

So now she associates your request for a left lead canter as her OK to do whatever canter lead she prefers. 10 years down the road she will still do the same until you correct it.

Your coach not giving you adequate or correct instructions is part of the problem.
     
    05-23-2011, 12:03 PM
  #10
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Originally Posted by Spyder    
Yes you need to correct her but you must take it in steps.

If you have been riding her for 2 years,then that is adequate time for her to have learned to canter correctly.

If however you always ask when she is not ready then you simply compound the problem. And repeating everything the same with no correction simply makes things worse.

It seems to me that you don't know how to correct her and I gave you one way. Just not cantering her too much will not help and she is bumpy because she has no balance in the canter is on the wrong lead ( and that is very uncomfortable) and you don't look into that to correct.

Here is in part what I see when you DID ask for the canter. You had some contact in the first corner but when you asked for the canter you dropped it, she ran into the second corner to come down the long side, fell on her inside shoulder ( probably to make it easier for her to pick up her preferred lead) the swung her haunches out and picked up the wrong lead. You stopped her at the end when she had come way off the fence line and you never made any correction for an incorrect response to you asking for, I ASSUME a LEFT lead canter.

So now she associates your request for a left lead canter as her OK to do whatever canter lead she prefers. 10 years down the road she will still do the same until you correct it.

Your coach not giving you adequate or correct instructions is part of the problem.
I have been cantering her for 2 weeks. I don't know like anything about leads yet. My coach is seeing how her leads are and everything. I have no idea what lead she is on. I don't canter all the time. She isn't my own horse as I can't ride her and condition her in the canter. She is only cantered at MY lessons which has been like 3.
     

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