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post #1 of 27 Old 02-29-2012, 10:56 PM Thread Starter
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Cinny after Dental and mom's chiro

Okay, Okay, I know....THIS VIDEO SUCKS. But, we can at least see Cin's rhythm, lack of head tossing and in some instances my seat.

Cinny had his Dental a little over a week ago. I've been going to a chiro, it turns out MY hips are really messed up. I have one side higher than the other and slightly twisted. How that happened is beyond me, but it's no wonder I always feel like my saddle/horse is crooked. It is being fixed, and I have been having some very lovely, balanced rides to show for it. I have also started reading a book called "Feeling Dressage" by Ruth Sabine Schaefer. It has led to a few more "seat" adjustments that I think have helped.

I had nobody to film, so I tried my tripod. I think I'll stick with waiting for people to video.

I see improvement, I see a lot more work ahead. You may need to do "full screen" although it may get a little fuzzy. Like I said, it sucks. Excuse the noise, a fellow border tied plastic bags, tarps, etc to the side of the arena where the camera was in order to help de-sensitize her horse to the wind blowing them.

A fraction from today's warm up

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I can't watch the video as I'm on my phone but I will critique when I get on my laptop.

However, I hope you realize that your hips are not actually "messed up". Every single person has one leg that is slightly longer than the other, it usually occurs because one femur is longer. A chiro will commonly tell people that this has something to do with your hip alignment, and unless you have had a traumatic injury to your hip...you can not have messed up, misaligned hips and still walk, ride, etc. They tell you with "re-alignment" sessions, they can fix your messed up hips, but in reality they cannot "fix" this problem as there really isn't anything wrong! They would have to break bones, etc to make you perfectly even!

Also, that "poping" noise you hear when they crack you isn't your joints being "put back into place" or "re-aligned". They are simply just released built up air in the muscle cartilage, like how you do when you crack your knucles. Your not re-aligning or fixing any problem, just releasing air!

Haha sorry for the huge rant, I just spent the past week researching how chiropractic, acupuncture and supplement therapy operate soley through the placebo effect. ;) So chances are you are feeling you are probably riding better because you think you should be!
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I can't watch the video as I'm on my phone but I will critique when I get on my laptop.

However, I hope you realize that your hips are not actually "messed up". Every single person has one leg that is slightly longer than the other, it usually occurs because one femur is longer. A chiro will commonly tell people that this has something to do with your hip alignment, and unless you have had a traumatic injury to your hip...you can not have messed up, misaligned hips and still walk, ride, etc. They tell you with "re-alignment" sessions, they can fix your messed up hips, but in reality they cannot "fix" this problem as there really isn't anything wrong! They would have to break bones, etc to make you perfectly even!

Also, that "poping" noise you hear when they crack you isn't your joints being "put back into place" or "re-aligned". They are simply just released built up air in the muscle cartilage, like how you do when you crack your knucles. Your not re-aligning or fixing any problem, just releasing air!

Haha sorry for the huge rant, I just spent the past week researching how chiropractic, acupuncture and supplement therapy operate soley through the placebo effect. ;) So chances are you are feeling you are probably riding better because you think you should be!
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sorry but i have to disagree, my shoulders were over an inch different in height and after chiro im now even, how is that placebo ??

OP have you thought of shortening your stirrups ?

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^^ just my opinion! Not saying it's 100% true, just something to think about. :) I was all for chiro before I read through studies and stuff about how it's not all cracked up to be. Just my opinion, take it or leave it. :)
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Actually, they did xrays, if you saw them you would know what I mean. My spine from the waist down looks deformed. It's to the point that if after a month of massage therapy and special exercises (not manipulation) the muscles don't start strengthening enough to start taking the pressure off, he wants me to go to an orthopedic for better evaluation and treatment.
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But let's please get off the topic of chiropractors. For those who saw my video about a week ago, I'd like to know if they see improvement in Cinny's stride as well as my seat from what you can see of it. My posting sucks, I think I need to tweak stirrup length a bit more. Tomorrow my Webber that I ordered should arrive and no more playing with ancient stretched out leathers.
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Bump, anybody else have any comments not related to chiropractors?
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I think your posting needs to be slower.. it looks like you're both chasing each other along in the trot. Slower posting, and encourage your horse to stretch. Have you tried combing the reins or riding on a loose rein?
Also.. your horse isn't balancing around those corners very well.. you should try sitting to the outside a little bit with your inside leg tapping his barrel over until he can learn to balance himself.

I would spend more time walking in your warm up. At least 8 minutes of solid walk work. Do circles at the walk, leg yields on and off the track a few times, change rein, serpentines. All without rein direction.. just leg.

Then when you pick up the trot, make sure you half halt to re-balance him and let him know what's coming. Timing is important.. the trot is a 2 beat gait.. both legs moving diagonally. So you need to ask for that trot with the right timing else he'll probably rush into it or take awhile to get sorted.

Then trot allll over the arena.. slowly. As slowly as you can. YOU determine speed.. not the horse. If the horse is just running around trotting.. and you're posting really quickly to keep up, that's only going to make him faster and more unbalanced and that's kind of what I saw.
Slow posting, longer rein. Stay on the rail 2 laps.. then serpentines, circles, change of direction.

Then once you get that nice trot going, then you can add some leg and ask your horse for a bigger trot but still post slowly. Your horse will just add more hind power.

Then once you have that.. same thing. Do figures. Mix it up.. then break into a canter for a few strides.. back to trot.. canter... back to trot, then canter and stay there for a longer period of time.

Warm up is that.. warming up the horse. If you just speed through the warmup.. then your horse isn't going to be at his best, you won't be warmed up either and will get tired, stiff, and possibly more sore, and the work won't look "together."

I say this all with a smile on my face, as I am just trying to help.

I can't really see anything going on with your seat as it's so far away, but I guarantee if you warm up properly, your seat will definitely improve. That and walk without your stirrups (I'd advise only walk now until that trot becomes a lot slower and more put together.)

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I think your posting needs to be slower.. it looks like you're both chasing each other along in the trot. Slower posting, and encourage your horse to stretch. Have you tried combing the reins or riding on a loose rein?
Also.. your horse isn't balancing around those corners very well.. you should try sitting to the outside a little bit with your inside leg tapping his barrel over until he can learn to balance himself.

I would spend more time walking in your warm up. At least 8 minutes of solid walk work. Do circles at the walk, leg yields on and off the track a few times, change rein, serpentines. All without rein direction.. just leg.

Then when you pick up the trot, make sure you half halt to re-balance him and let him know what's coming. Timing is important.. the trot is a 2 beat gait.. both legs moving diagonally. So you need to ask for that trot with the right timing else he'll probably rush into it or take awhile to get sorted.

Then trot allll over the arena.. slowly. As slowly as you can. YOU determine speed.. not the horse. If the horse is just running around trotting.. and you're posting really quickly to keep up, that's only going to make him faster and more unbalanced and that's kind of what I saw.
Slow posting, longer rein. Stay on the rail 2 laps.. then serpentines, circles, change of direction.

Then once you get that nice trot going, then you can add some leg and ask your horse for a bigger trot but still post slowly. Your horse will just add more hind power.

Then once you have that.. same thing. Do figures. Mix it up.. then break into a canter for a few strides.. back to trot.. canter... back to trot, then canter and stay there for a longer period of time.

Warm up is that.. warming up the horse. If you just speed through the warmup.. then your horse isn't going to be at his best, you won't be warmed up either and will get tired, stiff, and possibly more sore, and the work won't look "together."

I say this all with a smile on my face, as I am just trying to help.

I can't really see anything going on with your seat as it's so far away, but I guarantee if you warm up properly, your seat will definitely improve. That and walk without your stirrups (I'd advise only walk now until that trot becomes a lot slower and more put together.)

:)

Thank you so much. I understand what you are saying. This is just a small fraction of our warm up, but I think you are right that I raced into the trot and circles entirely too soon. Posting is a HUGE thing that I need to work on. We did a bit better today (my camera slipped and I got a lovely, in focus video of the arena ceiling).

Todays work consisted of working on my posting. I readjusted my stirrups but they either seem too long or too short. Tomorrow my webbers should arrive and I will have to start all over with getting just the right fit but I think it will be much better in the long run. Today once we got a slower rhythem I worked on trying to get him to relax and stretch the reins out of my hands while supporting his inside shoulder. It needs a lot more work.

I also worked on hands. Tomorrow I am thinking of trying the "yarn trick." Someone told me to attach yarn to the bit and use that for reins and practice not letting it break in order to soften hands and cues. Of course I'll still have the regular reins, but they will be dropped.

And yes, I do feel like I'm chasing after his trot!! I never really thought of it that way before. Definitely something to keep in mind.
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