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        08-13-2011, 08:52 AM
      #21
    Yearling
    I would work on getting some more fat into his body and slowly condition his muscles. I think your outlook is realistic.

    My mare recently had to be reconditioned... she was very sore and it took several weeks of just walking under saddle before we could add in 2mins of trotting. At first when the chiro gave me my schedule, I was a little stunned. I was ignorant. It was the best thing I could have done though. We all forget just how important the walk sets up everything. There's so much that can be done at the walk also. My mare and I are at a level now where everything is starting to click because I didn't rush with her. Not suggesting you would, but even if you spent 6weeks walking about consistently for 20mins or so, that's going to help him with getting to understand what he's like and finding his rhythm etc. It's also going to help him learn to carry a saddle and rider without the impact of a faster gait.

    I think it sounds like you're on the right track. Just be careful not to overdo the lunging. Standardbreds that have been in a cart are naturally heavy on the forehand. That means circle work (even in large circles) can be impacting on their shoulders. I don't lunge much anymore, if at all, simply because my mare has been sore through the shoulder in the past. Try walking him out inhand... or long reining him... that way he won't be going around and around in circles. Especially with him being so long and having to try and pull himself together, I would be cautious not to lunge more than twice a week and for not very long at all.

    Hope this helps!!
         
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        08-13-2011, 01:36 PM
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    Schelle,

    Actually, I think you and are in perfect agreement, except perhaps other than our use of the word "excel." Also, I am only familiar with the American Standardbred, not the NZ one. To me "excel" means succeed consistently at the highest level of a discipline. A STB is certainly capable of doing a respectable 2'6" or 3' course at a local hunter show; but not of competing in a rated hunter competition against TBs and WBs. Capable of doing a really nice Intro, Training or First level test, but will probably struggle with anything over 2nd Level, and I know of none competing at the FEI levels. Capable of being a safe lower level event horse....you get the idea.

    That shouldn't dissuade anyone from rehabbing one off of the track and making it into a pleasure horse or all arounder; their dispositions are fabulous and STBs off the track usually have great ground manners.

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    Can you really judge a horse's jumping potential by just conformation photos??
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    Confo pictures are great, but you need to either see him moving about in person or a video of him doing flatwork and some jumping as well.
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    No. Only by a video of the horse going over fences.
    I disagree, as do Dr. Deb Bennett, Champ Hough, Gene Cunningham, Julie Winkel, Olive Britt and a lot of other professional horsemen who have made their livings evaluating young prospects primarily by analyzing conformation.

    Yes, heart and desire have a big effect, and there are perfectly conformed horses who have the ability but no desire to do the job. However, a horse with a short, upright shoulder and pastern, a short humerus, and cannon the same length as its forearm will NOT be a good jumper because they lack the mechanical ability to lift their shoulder and snap their knees. All the heart in the world can't change that. Similiarly, if a horse is built downhill, is post legged behind and has a thick throatlatch, all the heart in the world won't get it past second level in dressage because it lacks the mechanical ability to collect.
         
        08-13-2011, 10:10 PM
      #23
    Yearling
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    schelle,

    Actually, I think you and are in perfect agreement, except perhaps other than our use of the word "excel." Also, I am only familiar with the American Standardbred, not the NZ one. To me "excel" means succeed consistently at the highest level of a discipline. A STB is certainly capable of doing a respectable 2'6" or 3' course at a local hunter show; but not of competing in a rated hunter competition against TBs and WBs. Capable of doing a really nice Intro, Training or First level test, but will probably struggle with anything over 2nd Level, and I know of none competing at the FEI levels. Capable of being a safe lower level event horse....you get the idea.

    That shouldn't dissuade anyone from rehabbing one off of the track and making it into a pleasure horse or all arounder; their dispositions are fabulous and STBs off the track usually have great ground manners.

    Aha, yes we are in agreement then. Yes, I realise the use of the word excel was a bit moot on my behalf, we do share the same view here indeed :) Over here I know of Standardbreds that are schooling Medium dressage (not sure what that relates to in Amercian Dressage) at home and competing successfully at Elementary but no, I doubt many Standardbreds are bred and built for the likes of Advanced dressage - most horses aren't either! A lot of people are also breeding warmbloods to Standies in Germany for their expressive trotting action... it seems to becoming more of a trend... though the German Standardbreds are nothing like the NZ or American as I've come to realise. Over here a lot of TBs and Clydies stallions are being crossed with Standardbreds now and leaving very nice looking sporthorses. Its certainly interesting that in the past ten years here in NZ, Standardbreds and the prejudice around them is declining and they're becoming a well known versatile breed.

    But again, relating NZ sport to American is like relating soccer to American football - different leagues, different capabilities, a different sport!
         

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