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    05-15-2010, 08:56 PM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by kmacdougall    
Ok. If you start on the inside of either leg and wrap across the front you'll be turning the tendons inward on both legs, which, you are correct, is what you want to do. As for the issue of how far down to wrap them, you want to just cover the pastern. If you go lower, the shape of the leg is going to make tightening the polo and keeping it from sagging impossible.
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haha ok thanks for clearin it all up:)
     
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    05-16-2010, 08:55 PM
  #12
Weanling
Bump:)
     
    05-16-2010, 10:24 PM
  #13
Foal
I'll give you a brief confo critique -- just the points that's really stand out:

1. Generally straight shoulder - ideally should be 45 degrees, your boy has more of a 60 degree give or take. Not "bad", but straighter than ideal and I bet you can feel the concussion if you ask him to step out. This angle is mimicked in his pastern angle. Not bad, but not good either.

2. Level back - but long in comparison to his shoulder and hip.

3. Short croup and long loins - not a good mix, but a rather common one; my paint gelding has the same set up. You'll really need to make him use his back correctly while riding or he will break down through the loins as he ages.

4. He is post legged and sickle hocked, while I don't like it - it obviously makes some people out there happy because its bred A LOT.

5. Overall, he is generally balanced and is pretty cute - he has his faults, but hey, every horse does.

I agree with the above posters about wrapping polos correct; it's better just to get sport boots or leave him bare if you do not know how to do it right.
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    05-16-2010, 10:36 PM
  #14
Yearling
I've got my fire extinguisher ready, because I'm pretty certain I'm going to get flamed for saying this but...
So far as bandaging goes, it does not matter what direction you wrap in, as long as the tentsion is across the front of the cannon bone with every turn and is EVEN tension. If you are wrapping with enough tension to pull the tendons in either direction, you are wrapping too tight. If you choose to go opposite directions, fine, but you are not going to lame a horse by wrapping in a certain direction. I pretty much wrap legs for a living and always wrap every leg closckwise. I have never lamed one up yet doing it that way.
Anyhow...
I think I have critiqued this horse before. Have you asked for a critique on him before? He's cute and seems like a real nice performance type, but he does have a steep shoulder and he seems kinda posty behind but soooo many stock horses are built this way now and they perform great. Those are some pretty nifty egg bar shoes. Are they aluminium? Otherwise they look super heavy -there are lighter options for foot sore horses although I also see he has a bit of a rolled toe to ease his breakover too...do you feel the shoe affects his movement? Or is this shoeing arrangement like this in order to give him more sweep and less knee and not for lameness issues?
     
    05-17-2010, 06:48 PM
  #15
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by shesinthebarn    
I've got my fire extinguisher ready, because I'm pretty certain I'm going to get flamed for saying this but...
So far as bandaging goes, it does not matter what direction you wrap in, as long as the tentsion is across the front of the cannon bone with every turn and is EVEN tension. If you are wrapping with enough tension to pull the tendons in either direction, you are wrapping too tight. If you choose to go opposite directions, fine, but you are not going to lame a horse by wrapping in a certain direction. I pretty much wrap legs for a living and always wrap every leg closckwise. I have never lamed one up yet doing it that way.

I always thought the point of leg wraps was to wrap the tendon lightly to the inside, so it avoids damage and or strain.




Anyhow...
I think I have critiqued this horse before. Have you asked for a critique on him before? He's cute and seems like a real nice performance type, but he does have a steep shoulder and he seems kinda posty behind but soooo many stock horses are built this way now and they perform great. Those are some pretty nifty egg bar shoes. Are they aluminium? Otherwise they look super heavy -there are lighter options for foot sore horses although I also see he has a bit of a rolled toe to ease his breakover too...do you feel the shoe affects his movement? Or is this shoeing arrangement like this in order to give him more sweep and less knee and not for lameness issues?
He was actually bred for halter and was second paint horse halter in the world. And amazingly he cam move pretty well. The problem though would be his feet. He has a VERY small case of navicular, so were putting aluminum shoes on him.
     
    05-17-2010, 06:49 PM
  #16
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag6201    
I'll give you a brief confo critique -- just the points that's really stand out:

1. Generally straight shoulder - ideally should be 45 degrees, your boy has more of a 60 degree give or take. Not "bad", but straighter than ideal and I bet you can feel the concussion if you ask him to step out. This angle is mimicked in his pastern angle. Not bad, but not good either.

2. Level back - but long in comparison to his shoulder and hip.

3. Short croup and long loins - not a good mix, but a rather common one; my paint gelding has the same set up. You'll really need to make him use his back correctly while riding or he will break down through the loins as he ages.

4. He is post legged and sickle hocked, while I don't like it - it obviously makes some people out there happy because its bred A LOT.

5. Overall, he is generally balanced and is pretty cute - he has his faults, but hey, every horse does.

I agree with the above posters about wrapping polos correct; it's better just to get sport boots or leave him bare if you do not know how to do it right.
good critique! Love it. But I just have to say he is standing a little funny in this picture and usually doesnt. I think it was the way I asked him to square up:)
     
    05-18-2010, 06:05 PM
  #17
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by shesinthebarn    
I've got my fire extinguisher ready, because I'm pretty certain I'm going to get flamed for saying this but...
So far as bandaging goes, it does not matter what direction you wrap in, as long as the tentsion is across the front of the cannon bone with every turn and is EVEN tension. If you are wrapping with enough tension to pull the tendons in either direction, you are wrapping too tight. If you choose to go opposite directions, fine, but you are not going to lame a horse by wrapping in a certain direction. I pretty much wrap legs for a living and always wrap every leg closckwise. I have never lamed one up yet doing it that way.
Anyhow...
I wrap quite a few horses as well, and learned a lot of what I know from the chef d'equipe of our Olympic eventing team.. As far as I'm concerned, he would know haha.
     
    05-18-2010, 06:06 PM
  #18
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by kmacdougall    
I wrap quite a few horses as well, and learned a lot of what I know from the chef d'equipe of our Olympic eventing team.. As far as I'm concerned, he would know haha.
id have to agree with you:)
     
    05-18-2010, 07:06 PM
  #19
Yearling
Hey, you don't have to agree, but I don't see the point of directing the tendons either in or out. The tendons should be straight. To do this all that is required is even tension on the front of the cannon bones. I'm not saying either way is wrong.
The horses I wrap are multi-million dollar earners, trained by hall of fame trainers so I'm going to go ahead and say that they know what they are talking about too!
     
    05-19-2010, 02:33 AM
  #20
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by shesinthebarn    
Hey, you don't have to agree, but I don't see the point of directing the tendons either in or out. The tendons should be straight. To do this all that is required is even tension on the front of the cannon bones. I'm not saying either way is wrong.
The horses I wrap are multi-million dollar earners, trained by hall of fame trainers so I'm going to go ahead and say that they know what they are talking about too!
Why not just do it the way numerous scientific studies have proven to be the best way? I know the last time I was at the Atlantic Veterinary College I saw a framed article on a study they had done on how bandaging affects the tendon that specifically mentioned this issue.
I'd rather go on cold hard scientific fact then a "well I haven't hurt a horse yet". Not saying you will hurt a horse, or you won't, but I'm going to do everything I can in the name of protecting that horse, and to me that means following what people far more knowledgeable then you or I have spent years and hundreds of thousands of dollars researching.
     

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