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post #21 of 41 Old 02-21-2011, 04:31 PM Thread Starter
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I know she needs weight on her...I have said loads of times we are working on it. She lost it out of nowhere. She needed to be wormed. Now she is so we will get back on track. She also has not been ridden in a month so has lot all the muscle she had.

Her feet were only done two weeks ago so I don't think they need to be done =/ The farrier actually said she was wearing them down herself so they didn't even need to be done. They only were because she lost a shoe. He took hardly anything off of them.
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I do not see any glaring faults, over all she looks nicely put together to me.

The sunk-in you see is weight, she could use a little bit as others have said. I would try adding some soaked alfalfa cubes and beet pulp if you haven't and I am a big fan of Purina Equine Senior feed for Thoroughbreds. As always, free choice hay.

As for her neck I think it looks a little better than the first photos of her. Make sure you condition the top of her neck. Do flexing from the ground, standing under saddle and while moving under saddle to teach her to soften and carry her head lower naturally. Never "pull" her into a head set.

Assuming the shoulder marks are nasty blanket rubs, I'd opt not to clip her and thus loose the ugly sores :) JMO.
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Thanks =D

I will look at more feed tomorrow. She is on beet pulp at the moment because she is in a stable. She gets hard feed twice a day And she gets hay every few hours. But when she is outside she has access to hay 24/7 and is fed once a day.

And I do worm her regularly before anyone says anything..There are horses in the field with her that are never ever wormed so she must be getting them more often.
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Didn't see this in the previous posts, so I thought I'd add my input ^_^

Horses generally keep their water supply just in front of their loins and behind their barrel, and when they are 'full up' and well hydrated, there is a smoothness or even a slightly rounded feel to that area. Your girl may just of been a bit dehydrated =] I believe that would be very possible, considering that she seemed to become like that almost overnight. There isnt a whole lot you can do about it- and many horses do tend to not drink enough water in the winter (one of our older mares does this every year x]) so don't worry about it too much. Just keep offering her water, or if she seems really dehydrated (ie, her gums arent the right color, you can pinch her skin into a tent, etc) you can always try to add some gatorade, a teaspoon of molasses, or something else she enjoys to her water in hopes of encouraging her to drink! The worming was definitely a good idea though. Its better safe than sorry ^_^

I really like her conformation though, besides the really high withers. (do you have any saddle issues?) She seems neatly put together although I do agree that she could use a bit of muscling and more fat. She looks like she may be one of those 'hard to keep' horses, so I can totally understand. She isnt severely underweight or anything though so that's great! Just keep up with the muscling exercises and such.

And just as another side note, I see nothing wrong with her hooves- though I'm no expert ^_^

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ok I didn't read through everyone's post so I apologize for that!

For weight - I see three things. 1) chiro/massage, 2) ulcers, 3) more fat in her diet. That will help 1) chiro then massage > take tension off the lower back 2-3 vert up from the croup and allow the muscle to relax, 2) relax her gut, coat her stomach and help her put on weight and 3) improve her coat condition, support the muscles and help her put on weight. See how they are all tied together? Not sure which was the initial cause, but ulcers can cause stomach cramps which can cause the sinking look and cause them to stand awkwardly. The cramped muscles can cause the lower back to be sore and put strain on the skeletal system causing chiro issues. Or she could have slightly thrown her back out in turn out or rolling or in her stall - who knows - and then stressed, causing ulcers, causing cramping...see how it all runs in circles? Point being those are my three recommendations and I feel the rest will fall in place.

Pointing out where I see the change in her back where the stress seems to be pinpointed and will post pics in a min.

As for her neck, longe circles of various sizes at the trot in side reins. Same with riding, lots of dir changes with a focus on a soft contact so you are not holding her up and she is learning to use her entire back - tail to poll - to balance herself. Looks like you have already done an excellent job compared to the before picture!!

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Oh thanks I never thought of that! When she is outside the hay is on the other side of the field than the water so when I take her in she is always thirsty. Having her in the stable these past few days could have made her not want to drink.

I did have saddle issues and still kinda do! The last saddle I had was stuck to her withers so I got a new one and it clears her withers a lot but it is still hard to find the perfect saddle for her so I have to use a riser the whole time.

She is very hard to keep! When I got her she was worse than she is now. A few weeks later she looked great and a lot of people noticed. She then went downhill again =/

It has been really hard keeping muscle on her because a lot of things keep happening when I get into a routine..The weather/Work/And now lameness!
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Yeah I was thinking maybe she had back problems. She can be a little brat while ridden so someone will be out to check her. But I am wondering which would be better...A Neuromuscular man or a chiropractor?

I was also just thinking to myself I will have to add vegetable oil to her feed. It worked before.

And also how do you find out if it is ulcers? Doe she have a scan or what?
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Oh thanks I never thought of that! When she is outside the hay is on the other side of the field than the water so when I take her in she is always thirsty. Having her in the stable these past few days could have made her not want to drink.

I did have saddle issues and still kinda do! The last saddle I had was stuck to her withers so I got a new one and it clears her withers a lot but it is still hard to find the perfect saddle for her so I have to use a riser the whole time.

She is very hard to keep! When I got her she was worse than she is now. A few weeks later she looked great and a lot of people noticed. She then went downhill again =/

It has been really hard keeping muscle on her because a lot of things keep happening when I get into a routine..The weather/Work/And now lameness!
saddle fit makes a LOT of sense - if it's not fitting right it will cause her to tense her back, stress (ulcers...) and cause the need for chiro as well as that sinking. It will also be exacerbated by slight dehydration but I don't think that is your underlying cause.

You can make a hard keeper an eas(ier) keeper with a better saddle fit and ulcer supps and a good chrio adjustment and massage (you can even do some of the massaging yourself). Those changes can all improve muscle flow, energy flow, and system balance which means - healthier horse with less stress. Not saying she is "stressed" as in anxious now, but I know when the weather changes, my tbs stress their systems and can get gassey and I put them on an ulcer supp every winter > spring to help prevent weather colic and it not only does that but helps them not lose weight when the weather changes too!

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Oh her new saddle does fit now. When I had her old saddle she would buck, throw her head down into the bit, back up, and nearly rear a lot of times.

Since I got the new one she has not done any of those things. I was just told to use a riser for extra comfort because she is so narrow.
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See that little change of direction in her spine where it dips then levels as if there is a mini-kink in her back? I bet if you palpate there on either side of the spine she will be a touch sore. Hope that helps - would love to hear your feedback bc I could absolutely be wrong!

Btw she really is a lovely mare!

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