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    04-30-2010, 10:51 AM
  #11
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I think she's really pretty. She's bred for halter, not movement. Not saying she can't perform, but it isn't something that would come easily to her, she's too bulky. However, if they wanted to make her a broodmare, she could make some pretty performance babies.... (my opinion)

She looks like she's an impressive bred mare so she'd have to by HYPP/NN for me to breed her though. :)
     
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    04-30-2010, 10:58 AM
  #12
Showing
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Originally Posted by thunderhooves    
1) The pic also demonstrates angles?! I'm confused.
2) They also said she had good balance,
3) hip,
4) shoulder,
5) nice neck tied in high, and
6 )great set back withers
............... please explain?

1) The photo tries to demonstrate angles, but it does a poor job of it. Actually, I'd be inclined to tell you to ignore everything in red on that photo because it really doesn't make any sense to me. There is a correct way to draw angles and the "thirds" rule, but they didn't do it.
2) She is very balanced, but their lines are slightly off. The mare's neck and head is proportionate to her shoulder is proportionate to her ribcage is proportionate to her hindquarter. This creates a balanced horse. If one section is too long, it can throw the horse's proportions off, making them a relatively "unbalanced" horse.
3) She does have a nice hip, but them writing "hip bone" over a quarter of her hindquarter doesn't tell me (or you) anything. In fact, writing "hip bone" over the location of her hip bone makes it harder to see it. When you are judging a horse, you want to look at these angles:

(there are other angles in the hindquarter that you can look at, but that was an okay picture to show what I was getting at)
4) Shoulder angles are very important to some of us. It determines the ability for a horse to move and be free in the front end. For others it's a distinguishing mark of a comfortable horse. The red line that they drew means nothing corresponding to her shoulder slope. You can quite clearly see that the angle is much steeper. Here is a good article for shoulder angle: Front End Conformation
Put that and point 3 together (the triangle is what I'm used to seeing, it is very important):


5) She has a nice neck and it is tied in high for a quarter horse. Tied in means where it attaches to the horse's front end.
Tied in high:

Tied in low:

You can see that the top of the neck is attached at different places, as is the bottom of the neck in those two photos.
6) Set back withers has to do with where the withers are and where they end. Ideally, you want them to end quite far back as that indicates balance. Follow the slope of the wither. Where does it look like they join in to the back? This is the attachment place, and you want it actually quite centered in the middle of the horse. This is best illustrated with pictures, I will come back with some.
     
    04-30-2010, 11:03 AM
  #13
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While I like her a lot I'd say she is an inbeween halter horse... not the greatest but you could do a lot worse imo.

Remember, in this picture she is fitted for halter... its not like she is stuck like this forever.
You could easily take her home, feed her differently, and she would make a cute, nice (normal looking/less muscled) little mare.

No, she likely won't make a jumper, eventer, or dressage prospect, to me she will be to wide and big for cow events and gymkhana.. but she would make a cute local pleasure horse for sure.
     
    04-30-2010, 11:10 AM
  #14
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Originally Posted by IllComeALopin    

Remember, in this picture she is fitted for halter... its not like she is stuck like this forever.
You could easily take her home, feed her differently, and she would make a cute, nice (normal looking/less muscled) little mare.
Beauty is no longer fitted for halter and has had 5 babies. I don't have any great conformation shots but you'll see that that mare could actually look pretty cute as a riding horse. Beauty does well in western pleasure and is really cute in the hunter ring and even does well over 2 foot courses. She isn't shown anymore due to a severe tendon injury.
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    04-30-2010, 11:17 AM
  #15
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Originally Posted by farmpony84    
Beauty is no longer fitted for halter and has had 5 babies. I don't have any great conformation shots but you'll see that that mare could actually look pretty cute as a riding horse. Beauty does well in western pleasure and is really cute in the hunter ring and even does well over 2 foot courses. She isn't shown anymore due to a severe tendon injury.
Thanks, this was my point.
They are fed like this, not necessarily bred like this.

But; Yes, she will always be bulkier than a walking horse, or a thoroughbred. But, she is the kind of horse I like.

And while I said she wouldn't make a good jumper I ment BIG jumps...
Only becuase halter horses are big bodied horses and smaller legs and feet. When trained, shoed/trimmed, and shown in a way that complements them they do hold up just like any other horse in any other discipline..
Those thin legs and small feet just make 'em move really nice imho.
     
    04-30-2010, 11:44 AM
  #16
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That mare's hind legs are so post legged it is ridiculous to consider her with GOOD conformation, IMO. To me, not even pretty to look at.

Why consider it a winning form? It would be a poor horse for any discipline that I know of. And those tiny feet? I've seen too many have bad soundness issues way too early in life.
     
    04-30-2010, 12:25 PM
  #17
Weanling
Bramblett Quarter Horses - JMK In Reality

I think it is the standard of excellence in the Halter competition to look this way. Any stallion you see that is a halter champ will be the same. They compromise bone density for muscle density, to up the "beefiness" and make the horse appear larger than it would if it were heavily boned as well.

Check out the tiny feet and upright pasterns on this stallion. That's just the norm for the discipline. And the lines are off, but she's a nice prospect, and if bred with the right stud, she could produce some good prospects for performance!
     
    04-30-2010, 12:45 PM
  #18
Trained
I really like her, other than her hind legs.
     
    04-30-2010, 03:19 PM
  #19
Showing
IMHO, good conformation is sound conformation even if it doesn't really hit the wow factor on the pretty scale. If a horse cannot stay sound under even semi-stressful work, then it's conformation is not good. FP, I really like your mare. She is very well conformed and still has some bones and feet under her. She looks like the type of mare you could win a halter class with then go use her for ranch work all day. Back in the day, it was good sound using horses that were entered into halter classes and that's the way it still should be. I don't have a problem with the OP body or her head, my biggest problem is with the entire lower half of her body. She has teacup hooves, chicken legs, and is way too straight from hoof to body. Her pasterns have no angle at all and neither do her hocks. Even if she did somehow manage to stay sound for work, she would likely be a monster to ride like a jackhammer on steroids. I get that it is the discipline standard for a horse to look like that but I honestly don't understand breeding horses that are literally good for nothing else than looking "purty" in the show ring and so many are not sound or comfortable for even light riding.
     
    04-30-2010, 03:48 PM
  #20
Green Broke
Good confirmation for a halter horse. But you should not compare that confirmation to a rail horse, jumping horse, etc etc. That is what is desirable in the halter ring. I live near a halter horse breeder (breeds appy halter studs) they all have posty legs.
     

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