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post #11 of 20 Old 03-13-2010, 01:16 PM
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Spyder thank you very much for commenting on my thread first of all I love your advice

So I would like to ask in response to your post how would I get more controlled impulsion?

Also how would I go about improving my transitions with her?

And lastly how would I get her rounder?

I know I have to get her to use her hind end and her back properly before she can be rounder so how would I go about this?
The most important thing is to get her relaxed and going forward less rushed,

Contrary to what is often said you do NOT have to constantly drive the horse forward. This is taken too literallly and I see too many horses being rushed off their feet.

Take a look at this video and do a search on Phillippe Karl.

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Thank you Spyder you are always a help to me I will watch that video later today when I find the time I am checking online stuff that needs to be seen to but thank you very very much
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You two look like a really nice team.

One thing that I noticed would help improve all three phases. BEND.

In your dressage ride, The horse was diving onto his inside shoulder and leaning into the turn. Just like a bicycle which has no ability to bend, you have to lean to go around a turn. The same with an unbending horse. He is diving and leaning so much that, to stay in the saddle (which is now leaning way in too) your upper body is thrown way to the inside. This adds YOUR body weight to the already too heavy inside shoulder....making things really worse.

This same thing is hurting your jumping, especially seen in the show jumping. Your horse is unable to bend on his turns. As a result, again, he is diving on that inside shoulder causing him to lean into the turn. This often causes the horse to turn too hard. I see you are trying to make a wider turn and have to pull too much on the outside rein to guide him into a larger smoother turn. As a result, you are creating a counter bend. This makes the turns really unbalanced and, it shortens the time for the horse to actually see the upcoming jump as he is forced to look to the outside.

What can be done? Flatwork. You must teach your horse how to bend properly. Lots of bending/serpentines/circles/change of bends. Use more inside leg to encourage your horse to move into his outside shoulder and rein.

Once your horse is bending better, he will be so much more balanced. Then, he will be able to use impulsion much better and start engaging the haunch (almost impossible to do well in an unbalanced horse).

Every horse is different and the training approach geared toward the individual horse. There is no "cookie cutter" approach that works for all horses. I can't teach you here, how to get your horse to bend. I would need more info or face to face to do more.

Keep it up, you are definitely on the right track.
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I agree with the bending...other than that I'd just like to say that I'd pee myself if somebody put those jumps in front of me. So kudos.

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You two look like a really nice team.

One thing that I noticed would help improve all three phases. BEND.

In your dressage ride, The horse was diving onto his inside shoulder and leaning into the turn. Just like a bicycle which has no ability to bend, you have to lean to go around a turn. The same with an unbending horse. He is diving and leaning so much that, to stay in the saddle (which is now leaning way in too) your upper body is thrown way to the inside. This adds YOUR body weight to the already too heavy inside shoulder....making things really worse.

This same thing is hurting your jumping, especially seen in the show jumping. Your horse is unable to bend on his turns. As a result, again, he is diving on that inside shoulder causing him to lean into the turn. This often causes the horse to turn too hard. I see you are trying to make a wider turn and have to pull too much on the outside rein to guide him into a larger smoother turn. As a result, you are creating a counter bend. This makes the turns really unbalanced and, it shortens the time for the horse to actually see the upcoming jump as he is forced to look to the outside.

What can be done? Flatwork. You must teach your horse how to bend properly. Lots of bending/serpentines/circles/change of bends. Use more inside leg to encourage your horse to move into his outside shoulder and rein.

Once your horse is bending better, he will be so much more balanced. Then, he will be able to use impulsion much better and start engaging the haunch (almost impossible to do well in an unbalanced horse).

Every horse is different and the training approach geared toward the individual horse. There is no "cookie cutter" approach that works for all horses. I can't teach you here, how to get your horse to bend. I would need more info or face to face to do more.

Keep it up, you are definitely on the right track.
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I agree with the bending...other than that I'd just like to say that I'd pee myself if somebody put those jumps in front of me. So kudos.
Thank you for that Allison for the lovely explanation and thank you for saying we are a nice team I would never have said that but anywho lol I will work at that at home on the bending and turning her well and getting her more supple.

Again thank you Amlalriiee and I have only been jumping that height less than a year now before that we were jumping 70cm and working up we are now on 1m courses so I am pretty happy with her jumping
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I just rewatched the SJ portion and would suggest your running martingale is too short. It is holding the reins down at too low a head set. As a result, it puts too tough of a pressure on the horse's bars too easily. And, it will interfere in your turning, also. When the horse's head is in a "normal" position, the rings should reach the throatlatch.

That said, I really like your horse's jumping.

The bend will help. Don't be too tempted to try to "help" the horse turn by leaning in. It only gets in the horse's way
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I just rewatched the SJ portion and would suggest your running martingale is too short. It is holding the reins down at too low a head set. As a result, it puts too tough of a pressure on the horse's bars too easily. And, it will interfere in your turning, also. When the horse's head is in a "normal" position, the rings should reach the throatlatch.

That said, I really like your horse's jumping.

The bend will help. Don't be too tempted to try to "help" the horse turn by leaning in. It only gets in the horse's way
Yes I have been meaning to get a new martingale for my jumping thank you for reminding me

You like her jumping? Really? OMG thank you so much some people tell me she is off on her form for jumping and I didn't really think she was.

And thank you I did need reminding for the leaning in as well thank you very very much Allison
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Anyone else to critique us?
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savvy,

I like your mare over fences much better in this video than I did in the photos you posted previously to critique, and it makes me feel much better about her safety.

But do still be aware that under the wrong circumstances she can still jump badly/unsafely. You've gotten some really excellent advice so far in this thread; the only thing I will add to it is that horses that rush their fences frequently have a harder time lifting their shoulder and snapping their knees; so anything you do to get her to relax and approach the fences calmly will also improve her form.

You're clearly on the right track as she looks much better in this vid than what was previously posted. Keep up the good work.
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savvy,

I like your mare over fences much better in this video than I did in the photos you posted previously to critique, and it makes me feel much better about her safety.

But do still be aware that under the wrong circumstances she can still jump badly/unsafely. You've gotten some really excellent advice so far in this thread; the only thing I will add to it is that horses that rush their fences frequently have a harder time lifting their shoulder and snapping their knees; so anything you do to get her to relax and approach the fences calmly will also improve her form.

You're clearly on the right track as she looks much better in this vid than what was previously posted. Keep up the good work.

Yay improvement thank you for posting Maura I was waiting for someone who had critiqued us before to comment as well as getting good advice from everyone else
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