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    08-21-2013, 07:13 PM
You might try my 2nd set of reins made out of baling twine.
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    08-21-2013, 07:19 PM
Thanks but I'd like to see what I can do with just my one set of reins :) I just need to get back into regular lessons, my coach is amazing but unfortunately I'm strapped for cash at the moment, what with two vet bills to pay [her teeth needed attention and then my other horse went and hurt himself], so lessons are just going to have to wait.

I'm not a gadget person. Let that be said. I only consider gadgets when I'm being driven insane by something seriously irritating like head tossing and even then don't usually end up using them. Simple as a second set of reins made of twine or as complicated as a Pessoa lunging system, I just don't tend to use them.
    08-22-2013, 02:22 PM
You have determination, so I'm sure you AND your horse will be improving. She's very nice already!
Keep us posted. =D
    08-22-2013, 02:40 PM
Thank you :) I definitely will! I'm trying to get her ready for her first show by late October/early November so hopefully in a couple of months I'll have some show photos for you all

The show in question is usually run on an entries on the day basis. She'll be shown in show hack classes, in theory, it depends on how she goes. I may also print off her identity report from the studbook website and enter her in some halter classes [but THOSE are pre-entries only], so that I don't go to all the effort of prepping her and presenting her only to find she's too brainfried by the atmosphere for there to be any point even attempting to ride her.
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    08-23-2013, 07:38 AM
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OK, so you only want the horse critiqued but the rider is the influence on the horse and if something sticks out to my trained eye, I cannot do one without the other because one is caused by the other.

Your horse is not truly tracking up and becomes heavy on the hand or behind the bit because you are fixing your hands. Your arms are jammed down and there appears to be no softness in your wrists or elbows.

You are also tilting forward a bit to much.

Learn to carry your hands so there is a straight line from elbow to the horse's mouth, keep your wrists and elbows supple and soft, drive her forward more even if she is going over bent, if your arms are soft then she will come up with her head.
Personally at her age I would be working her more forward and long and low. She looks a very nice stamp of horse and one that you should be a le to have a lot of fun with as she gains experience and strength.

It all has to come from your seat. The fact you say you use very little hand means nothing if your arms are unyielding.
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    08-23-2013, 08:10 AM
Both are bad habits of mine Foxhunter and I have been working on correcting them. Unfortunately I'm having saddle dramas at the moment which is exacerbating the issue. I have a very VERY narrow horse. My little Fieldhouse saddle that has been too narrow for every other horse I've put it on is significantly too wide for her. I have found a saddle that is a perfect fit but have to sell the two less-than-perfect saddles that I have. In my other dressage saddle I have a much more upright position but the hands are still a problem.

I'm not a perfect rider, I am well aware of this - hence asking specifically that the rider not be critiqued. Plus I have the flu which means I'm riding worse than usual.
    08-23-2013, 08:35 AM
Agree with FH. You cannot critique the ridden horse when it is the rider that directly influences.

You need some contact with the bit. Soft hands is fine, but at this age your horse needs to learn what contact is and accept it. You don't need to pull her up and round, but she needs to begin the learnings of half halts rather than having her head placed.

I find it very important with young horses that you go long and low. If she tucks behind the vertical, and you get looser rein contact, ask for more from behind. I know you said you have flu in these pics and I never ride amazingly if I am I'll, but you really can do more with a correct seat and back position.

Dipping behind is not bad, so long as it doesn't become habit. She won't have the top line strength to continuously have a 'correct' outline.

Lots of transition work will help to activate her hind legs so she will become more natural in her head carriage. At this age I prefer to really take things slow in walk and trot rather than stride out, it helps improve the quality and their own strength rather than striding out and having a weak gait.

Also, I understand you need to sell two saddles for the one you need, but if it is too wide, can you not wait?
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    08-23-2013, 08:51 AM
Thanks :) We do have contact, I just realized I may have implied we don't but we definitely do. She will actively seek it. We have been doing long and low but I've attached a pic of what happens [NOT me riding], hind end just... stops working. She doesn't have the strength yet to stay connected behind when she stretches down in front.

Could you please point out to me, with the second photo attached, what tells you she isn't tracking up properly? I need to know what I'm going for before I can get it!!

Edit; also, she's happy in the little leather dressage with a riser, but I'm not. Without a riser, doesn't fit at all. I rode her in my other saddle today and she was happy but I hate the thing, too bulky, can't get my leg on.
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    08-23-2013, 12:13 PM
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That, is not long and low. She needs to be stretching down more and although you have a contact it should be encouraging more outward stretch.

I just feel that she could be more a time behind if she were to stretch out and use her back more. Hard to say from still shots but as she is carrying her head, eerience tells me this is so.
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    08-23-2013, 02:49 PM
The thing with long and low is that the nose MUST be in front of the vertical.

Super cute mare, though! And you are doing ok. Don't worry about hearing from others things that you already know you need to work on. They are some of the most common faults, meaning we all either have them or have had them, and knowing that it's something that needs work means you are very aware of your riding habits, and that is really good! Body awareness is essential to riding.

You are lucky to have such a nice mare with great potential.

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