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post #1 of 10 Old 09-23-2012, 09:42 PM Thread Starter
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Question Critique 2' Oxer

This was our 2nd time going over this oxer.
Before we had been doing 2' ramp oxers, and we bumped it up to the square.
What I want to know especially is:

How are my arms/hands

How are my legs/feet

Is my two point okay, and if I'm holding it long enough

And

Does it seem like Alibi's struggling to jump it (I don't think so, but I want everyone's opinion)

Sorry that I'm asking for so much /:

I have it here on my fb (hopefully you can see it)

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Or on my youtube (I recorded it off my computer screen! Lol sorry for small size and quality)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyLP9...ature=youtu.be

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post #2 of 10 Old 09-23-2012, 10:00 PM
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I don't think it looks like he can't do it - but I do think if you had some more impulsion and forwardness in your canter that he would be able to jump it a whole lot nicer. See how he gets in front of the fence and really awkwardly has to lift himself up? If he was going more forward and balanced, you'd both find the jump a whole lot nicer.

You really need to establish the rhythm and 'pace' that you want before the fence. Use a circle - sit deep, put your leg on and ask for that canter from a steady trot well before the fence. Also, just for reference - try and keep your pace after the jump as well. It looks like you jump the fence and straight away return to trot/walk. Keep the canter, then ask for a trot well after the fence. It's just a training thing, so that the horse doesn't learn that it can 'stop' after each fence.

Your two point is nice, I really think that you could work on your lower leg though. It was a little hard to see in the video, but - your leg is really thrown backwards over the jump. See how if you pause at 0.03, your leg has moved backwards because your heels aren't down? If you really stretch your weight down into your heel and support yourself (instead of bracing on your horse a bit), I think you'll find that the actual jump is a whole lot more neater for both you and the horse.

It looks too me - once again, quality is bad and therefore its hard to tell, that you could move your hands up your horses neck the tiniest bit more. It just looks like you might be catching him in the mouth the slightest bit.

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thank you so much for the critique. I really want to get better at jumping because I love it so much x3

I won't blame the footing completely, but the ground is the slightest bit uneven and she's a wus about it. It's hard for her to really bump up from her pace to the canter in that ring.

Also, I know she gets slow to the jump, and I really try to push, but she just wants to slow down. We've never had a refusal since three years ago when she was learning, but would she be slowing down because of not wanting to do it?

Afterwards I stopped her (only in that direction because the turn is a little too tight for her to canter around, she slips back to a rack) otherwise we don't have that problem(:

Stretch down into my heel.. So putting weight into them, or standing up more in the stirrups? This has been a problem for me forEVER. I have improved and I'm glad you pointed it out, I'd probably end up forgetting about it

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post #4 of 10 Old 09-24-2012, 12:33 AM
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Whilst the footing may be an issue, I do not think that it is the key issue here. After all, eventers jump on some very dodgy ground.

I think the key issue for you is rider support for the horse, or a lack of it. You're a good rider, but you don't support the horse to the very base of the jump. If that makes sense? She probably 'slows down' because she knows that she isn't going to be pushed and that if she doesn't have to put the effort in, she simply won't. Because you aren't giving her any support into the fence, she isn't able to do it either. A neat jump comes from a trained horse with a supportive rider. You cannot get a nice jump without a effective rider, same as you cannot get a nice jump without a 'nice' horse.

So, really sit up before the jump and use your seat, put your leg on and go with the motion of the horse. If you feel that she is lacking, for whatever reason, help her. Put a little bit of extra leg on and allow her the chance to go forward. Does that make sense?

What I mean by 'stretch your heel down', I mean put your weight into your heels and drop them, whilst stretching out your calf. Instead of having a loose leg - that kind of just 'hangs' there. Try and visualize your weight being 'pulled' down the back of your lower leg, pulling your heel down below the stirrups. Does that help at all?

If your interested, a really good book is Sally Swift's book 'Centred Riding'. It discusses many different ideas and theories which you might find beneficial and interesting.

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That all makes sense! Thank you SO much!!! We'll be working on this today, hopefully, with weather permitting

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I couldn't see it on your fb, and the youtube vid is a bit hard to see, but it looks as though you could do with a bit more rein contact in towards the jump :)

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Thanks! I think I get to overthinking that i'm going to bump her in the mouth.
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So lateish, but I was working on my heels over the jump. I can feel that when they're really down I can feel them acting as shock absorbers.

I also tried really sitting deep and moving her through to the jump and it's made such a huge difference!! I also worked on keeping my reins a little tighter and we're coming along nicely. Just very light halfhalts at first then coming into a little more contact until it's constant but not tight. (It's a thing at the canter, rein confuses her and makes her fall back to a pace, no idea why)
I've been getting the striding, heels, two point, and landing correct. Jumping is way more fun now!!

Thank you so much for the advice!!!!

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So lateish, but I was working on my heels over the jump. I can feel that when they're really down I can feel them acting as shock absorbers.

I also tried really sitting deep and moving her through to the jump and it's made such a huge difference!! I also worked on keeping my reins a little tighter and we're coming along nicely. Just very light halfhalts at first then coming into a little more contact until it's constant but not tight. (It's a thing at the canter, rein confuses her and makes her fall back to a pace, no idea why)
I've been getting the striding, heels, two point, and landing correct. Jumping is way more fun now!!

Thank you so much for the advice!!!!
I'm glad we could hall contribute a little, sorry I wrote such a novel!!

So, you're saying that when you take control with the bit at the canter she goes back to a trot? Or that she lacks in impulsion? Just a little tip, remember to really keep your legs on and 'cuddle' her. Make sure you start the canter with the contact and really use your canter aids - to make sure she really understands what you are asking.

When you feel she is 'lacking' - close your leg on the horse's rib cage just behind the girl, remember to keep your heels stretched down and your back nice and straight. Give slightly with your hands, but remember to try and keep a light contact with the horses mouth. The more 'increase' you want, the stronger the aid should be.

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Don't worry about a long explanation. It was a good one and it helped.

It's not that she falls to the trot, she cross canters and then starts racking. We're in the process of fixing that. We're also just learning to make a real circle at the canter to help with balance.
I bump her back up to the canter but it gets really fast, then we have to bring it back down. It's just a long process. (it's only in out outdoor with uneven grass/dirt. In the sand and sawdust arena's she's fine)

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