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    12-22-2011, 02:10 PM
She's cute, but like others said, the price tag is too much for a horse like her. In my area, you could maybe get $600 for her. Possibly $800 if she has superb bloodlines. As for her general conformation, her back is long, she's fairly downhill, and I really don't like the look of her front pastern angle. For pleasure riding, it would be fine, but for anything requiring performance, there is a good risk of injury there. Too long and too much angle.

As for the bracing and head slinging when you apply pressure to the reins...have you had her teeth checked? It strikes me that you are a bit quick with your hands and your release is timed wrong. That may be why she's not a supple as she could be.
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    12-22-2011, 03:10 PM
Yeah I agree with smrobs.. have you had her teeth checked?

Also, O ring bits or "loose ring" have a tendency to jingle in a horse's mouth (or so a lot of people and research has told me.) I ride in an eggbutt snaffle and my horse has a very sensitive mouth too, so the kind of bit fixture could be something to look at. But it looks like this horse needs a lot more work, favorably on the ground. So the price is very high in my opinion.

Beautiful horse though :)

Here's that article:
    12-22-2011, 03:13 PM
Are there any exercises I can do to strengthen her back? The vet checks her teeth about once a year when I get their all around check-up and shots and stuff and he has never said anything about them.

What do you mean about the release? Since we are in a round pen and she has no where to go I try to only use my seat and voice when stopping her, though I do have to pull back to get her to back up. I did notice my reins are a little tight at some points. It could be my hands, but the fact that the corner of her mouth bleeds still concerns me. I don't feel like I am being that harsh with her?

I found a picture of her nose. I mostly looks just flaky but it really does bother her :-/ She doesn't like you to touch it. Someone mentioned photo sensitivity earlier or in another post about how a bosal might work better for her, is there anything that can be done about that if it is the cause?
    12-22-2011, 03:22 PM
I tried a bit once (sorry I'm not sure exactly what it's called) where the inside part was like that O-ringed snaffle except it had super short shanks and a chin strap. She didn't like it much (I assumed because of the extra pressure from the chin strap and the shanks hurt) and I didn't like it because the shanks were basically worthless lol I could look in to a different snaffle like you said (your article didn't post) but I was also thinking of trying a bitless bridle like a bosal or something. I know some people start their horses in those so I figured I could still accomplish that training she needs with it.

She is very pushy on the ground and indifferent to any type of punishment she receives for it :-/ I kinda just don't know what to do with her. I can't get good riding sessions in with her fighting the bit (whether it be me or the pain) and nothing I do on the ground seems to have any affect with her. It is partially my fault as I am gone 9 months of the year for college so she doesn't get worked with much except in the summer. I realize now the price is set to high. I want to really fix her up this summer in that new arena and then try selling her again... If I can fix my problems.
    12-22-2011, 03:26 PM
A pink sensitive nose needs sunscreen 24/7 or they will burn like no other. And tea tree gel or aloe vera when they are sensitive/burned.

Also.. loose rings tend to pinch lips by how they turn. Eggbutts can too but not as common. D-rings can't pinch at all. I have no experience with bosals so I can't offer advice there.

To strengthen her back.. probably building up more muscle would help. She needs to learn to ride long and low. There are a lot of threads on here that can get you started.

Here's one of my favourites:
HorseHelp: Building up your horses back, In-hand and Under Saddle

Also.. have you thought about taking lessons with her? A good trainer can really help you both turn around and do your best.

Good luck!

EDIT: Sorry... the link doesn't work for me anymore? But here's a yahoo answers thing about them.

I'll try to find another good article on loose ring snaffles.


Still looking..

EDIT 3: Sorry just came back from the barn.. my brain is still there :P
    12-22-2011, 03:40 PM
Apologize for the double post.....

Originally Posted by aggiegirl14    

She is very pushy on the ground and indifferent to any type of punishment she receives for it :-/ I kinda just don't know what to do with her. I can't get good riding sessions in with her fighting the bit (whether it be me or the pain) and nothing I do on the ground seems to have any affect with her. It is partially my fault as I am gone 9 months of the year for college so she doesn't get worked with much except in the summer. I realize now the price is set to high. I want to really fix her up this summer in that new arena and then try selling her again... If I can fix my problems.
Maybe you need to tape how she is when you work with her like leading, grooming, ground work..

Also.. you don't necessarily want to "punish" the horse.. it's more moving the horse's feet, preferably AWAY from you. Since moving feet is work, the horse will usually stop fussing around. Take today for example.. I had to correct my horse many times because he refused to stand still. Every time he moved, I would undo what he did (if he took 3 steps sideways and 4 steps forward.. I'd first back him 4 steps and then make him go 3 steps sideways the other way.) Then after he was where I had him, I'd make him stand, and then he would get release (stroked on his face.) Eventually he stood, and he realized it was nicer to stand still than be carted all over the place.

So if your horse is being pushy.. she needs to be sent back, away from you.. OUT of your space. And if the horse refuses to yield to you (as in you ask her to move off and she stands there) then you need to get her working and moving those feet.

Videos would definitely be helpful.. but even explaining what you're doing is also helpful. There are tons of helpful and knowledgeable people on the forum. If you need anything, definitely ask :)
    12-22-2011, 05:03 PM
Thanks for all the info about the bits! I will look into those later tonight when I have more time. That thread about building back muscle is awesome too! I would love to take lessons with her, part of me just wants to send her to a trainer to be finished :-/ It's just expensive so that's the only thing holding me back.

That's a good idea, I'll see if my parents are around next time I play with her and see if they can tape it.

I have done that thing that you mentioned, putting them back in their place? I do it alot when she moves forward when we are stopped. But when she is only handled a few months out of the year, it's hard to be consistent and give her the training she really needs. Which is why I am selling her, so she doesn't waste away.

I think what it is is she just doesn't respect me. When I saddle her she will swing her butt around towards me and park herself up against the trailer haha I try to hold my ground so that she just bumps into the saddle, and that works most of the time. But she won't scoot over if I push her rump. Even in the saddle when we work on side passing, she sidepasses into the pressure instead of away from it. I get the feelings she looks at me like I'm just a silly human! Kinda like a cat would -_- She has also been aggressive at times when I ask her to do something she doesn't want to do; such as scooting over.

What a mess :(
    12-22-2011, 05:20 PM
Green Broke
Seeing "green broke" on a 6 yo horse raises red flags for me. I figure a horse that old still green has spent many years or most of the time not being handled and living life as a pasture ornament. The people wanting trail horses are going to drive right by "green broke". And as others have said she may not be suited for other sports. Her color will get you 800, some real dedicated training and trail miles may get you to 1000.
    12-22-2011, 05:23 PM
It sounds more like she's confused on what you're asking.. maybe she's not being rude but maybe she has be taught (remember horses always are learning) that when you apply pressure, she moves into it. The way I'd handle this problem is keep the pressure on and cluck and don't give release (stop the pressure) until she makes one step into the direction you want. What helps is standing facing her with the leadrope (fastened on her halter) and spin it by her hip clockwise if she's on your right, counter-clockwise if she's on your left.. until she moves away from it. Be sure to praise her!

I see what you mean by feeling like she's being wasted.. well it's perfectly fine to let her just be a horse for 9 months of the year. Eventually one day you can dedicate more time to her, and when you really get her swinging during those 3 months (guessing summer break and whatnot) you can think about leasing her so she doesn't forget her training. It's worth looking into if you have some time before you sell her. Because how she is right now.. it's a shame to sell her now. You won't get a lot and you're losing your horse.

But by all means, if she's not the right horse for you, then sell her and cut your losses.

I hope the information I provided is helpful! :)
    12-22-2011, 05:33 PM
Think she overall is pretty cute mare.It is her training or lack of it that is probably making her a more difficult sell.That said your price would not be that out of line for the market around here.

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