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    08-01-2009, 06:57 AM
Green Broke
Hmm I watched it on youtube and it said "me jumping my horse a long time ago". But you posted this resently?
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    08-01-2009, 02:19 PM
I haven't posted on here for a while - hols and long work days! - but really can't not say anything here.

I'm not sure if you don't adopt people's advice because theres too much, too quickly.... but I really think it's in your interest to try to take in some of it! After all as everyone says - we want you to be safe!

(example about 5 secs into the video)
This is potentially very dangerous. The horse should be vertical and flexed around your inside leg, with your outside led controlling his hind quarters around the bend. Leaning like this, increasing the risk of him tripping over or slipping. Additionally, you need to sink more weight into your outside stirrup - you're centre of gravity exaggerates this lean. You hands should hardly do ANYTHING!

Your hands are planted low at the pommel of the saddle. This is normally a sign of a rider who feels unbalanced. Added to this, they don't move - the result is that Rowdy has no rein contact, yet any (natural) flexion of his neck results in a dig in the mouth. You can see this around 26 secs in.
You should be able to feel the natural movements in the neck across all gaits - after all, this is how the horse balances! (It's like us running and not swinging our arms!)

You adopted your forward position about 6m out from the jump - if Rowdy ducked out, you'd be making the jump alone. This leaning forward is also the universal signal of 'GO GO GO'! Which seems a little contradictory to me (so certainly your horse), if you're actually trying to prevent him from rushing??

Personally, neither of you are ready to jump - and I am sorry to have to tell you this. It terrifies me that you say you've jumped over 4 foot....

Your horse really needs to relax and, to do this, you need to relax as well. Your hand position, upper body tilting forward and legs braced forward smacks of someone who doesn't trust their horse, or is even scared of it. Any tenseness in you will pass to your horse.

I think it's at 22 secs in, you slow to a walk; Rowdy's head drops and you sit still. This is the most relaxed he looks - good job! However, you then psyche him up again... and to control him eventually you stick him at a wall!! From my experience this just causes nervous horses to back up and rear, as they feel trapped.

If this offends you, then I AM sorry, but if Rowdy was a my stables, I would be speaking to your mum about finding you something else to ride, so that your confidence isn't knocked further.

!!Also - could you make sure the arena is tidy before you jump - there looks like a tarpaulin on the floor in one shot - or have I mistook that???!!
    08-01-2009, 03:03 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by Spyder    
The only reason they think he is gaited is because you have destroyed his natural rhythm and balance with inconsistent contact, jerking in the mouth and lack of any suppling exercises. He has shortened his stride (somewhat unevenly) and he tilts and almost falls over on the inside shoulder when you turn....then you expect him to jump balanced and not rush.:roll:

You put him in such an unbalanced position that he is doing everything he can to stay upright
^ Well, I would agree, but when the horse was walking, he did throw in a nice flat walk.. He's gaited but needs some polish. You need to work with him on his gait or else you will 'lose' it. Meaning it will get so rusty he will eventually quite doing it and it will be extra hard to get him to do it.

You are in his mouth, jerking on his mouth, tense, the whole shabang. Relax and let HIM do the work. Don't do it 'for' him. Keep your hands still, please. Thank goodness he's in a snaffle.
    08-01-2009, 07:55 PM
Thanks! When he is walking he is usually always calm, its just when I get into the trot and canter. He used to never walk, he would always through I fit if he did not get to trot of canter, but now he will walk, so I think I did some good. Somtimes if he is being a good boy, I will drop the reins and make him trot and he stays in a nice slow trot
    08-01-2009, 11:31 PM
You shouldn't just be doing that "when he's good", that's how you should be riding him all of the time. So that he's relaxed and willing, not ready to shoot up the wall. There's no reason to get your horse so fired up and anxious, I just don't understand it. The way you jerk on him and ride him into the wall seems like your purposely getting him psyched up.
    08-02-2009, 10:34 AM
Well I don't try to get him 'psyched up'.
    08-02-2009, 11:09 AM
Originally Posted by morganshow11    
Well I don't try to get him 'psyched up'.
We know you don't try to do this. Your inexperience, stubbornness, and lack of supervision makes you do this. Have you asked your mom for help finding an instructor?
    08-02-2009, 01:02 PM
Let me rephrase that as it sounded a bit rude.

I wasn't trying to say that you DO purposely try to get him psyched up. However, doing those things that I mentioned DOES get him psyched up, whether it's on purpose or not.

You should try riding him and letting him relax more, not just when he's being good. Don't jerk him around or anything. He will relax a ton.
    08-02-2009, 01:38 PM
What the HELL did you run over on your way to the first jump? It looks like mesh, but whatever it was why are you running over it and not moving it? Were you just being lazy? Did you not notice? If you didn't notice then you aren't being very observant, something that you probably are doing to with your surroundings and your horse. Yes your hands need work, no I wouldn't be letting you jump, maybe poles on the ground. But I want to know why you never circle before the jump and gather your pace? I would circle in front of the jump over and over until you have established a pace and to show your horse maybe you will jump, maybe you won't, but as soon as you are going correctly you will think about. The whole scene is very choppy, and I mean you, not the camera. Your walking, trotting, ohh all of a sudden a jump, you just kind of line him up and take off. If I were you I would practice circling over a pole until he was bored to tears, then do the same with a cross rail. If you keep breaking gait he's not going to ever travel consistently. You have a really tiny ring and I would focus on doing just one jump in a circle, think you can manage that? Also watch a hunter course, notice how they start and end with a circle? No one just goes in without establishing their pace for the jumps, if you want to jump slower, they jump the slowest probably.
    08-02-2009, 01:50 PM
Green Broke
Morgan, I'd wait till your ankle is fully healed before you jump ;)

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