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post #11 of 15 Old 08-17-2013, 07:08 PM
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Okay to everyone telling her toes forward, there is a reason toes point out. For someone that is new to riding or not quite experienced yet, sticking toes out at about 45 degrees puts your calf ON the horse, which is especially crucial for jumping.

If you force your toes to point forward, a lot of the time the rider will compensate by pinching with the knee, or bowing the calf away from the horse.

I think she should be riding effectively, instead of pretty. Her trainer, or her own self, will change how she rides once she is ready.

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Maybe so Sky, but that should be addressed BEFORE someone starts jumping. Secure seat, nice quiet lower leg, that can be held in the correct position.I maybe old fashioned, but jumping with your toes pointed out like that is potentially dangerous, not only from the possibility of getting wiped out by an upright, but also the fact of not having a secure seat, which leads to you getting bounced out of the saddle, and if you check out this Jumped out of tack... All the darn time it's exactly what is happening.
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post #13 of 15 Old 08-17-2013, 07:50 PM
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Maybe so Sky, but that should be addressed BEFORE someone starts jumping. Secure seat, nice quiet lower leg, that can be held in the correct position.I maybe old fashioned, but jumping with your toes pointed out like that is potentially dangerous, not only from the possibility of getting wiped out by an upright, but also the fact of not having a secure seat, which leads to you getting bounced out of the saddle, and if you check out this Jumped out of tack... All the darn time it's exactly what is happening.
From the limited experience I've had with jumping, she's trying to jump for the horse, she's curling up or bracing defensively. It's not because her toes are pointing outwards, else MyBoyPuck would have said something. However I'm not going to disagree with you about the other points you've brought up since I haven't had experience with uprights.

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I do feel, OP, that you need to try what a poster on the above thread said, and warm up in two point. At the walk, the trot, and canter. Just relax and move with the horse. Focus on keeping a deep heel instead of bracing from your feet.

I primarily work Dressage but had issues with my legs. Two point work really helped me to keep them from flapping around, or curling up.

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Sky, the problem with toes pointing out as a way to "use the calves" is that it teaches the rider to ride off of the BACK of the calves, not the inside of the calves, which is correct. Riding off of the back of the calves tends to dig the heels in the horse making them insensitive to the leg, over time. God forbid they ever needs to use spurs if that is their habit.

Riding with the toes more forward teaches them to use the INSIDE of the calf, not the back. This will allow the leg to drape around the horse. If they need a spur, the spur will not be constantly digging into the horse.

It is the coach who needs to make sure they are not grabbing with the knee and actually wrap the leg, as needed.
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Sky, the problem with toes pointing out as a way to "use the calves" is that it teaches the rider to ride off of the BACK of the calves, not the inside of the calves, which is correct. Riding off of the back of the calves tends to dig the heels in the horse making them insensitive to the leg, over time. God forbid they ever needs to use spurs if that is their habit.

Riding with the toes more forward teaches them to use the INSIDE of the calf, not the back. This will allow the leg to drape around the horse. If they need a spur, the spur will not be constantly digging into the horse.

It is the coach who needs to make sure they are not grabbing with the knee and actually wrap the leg, as needed.
I completely agree, especially about the comment regarding the coach needing to make sure they're using their leg properly.

Which is why I said what I said. If she were to force her toes forward atm without working on it slowly, I'm sure her leg would not be where it should be and if she tries that in her jumping lesson it would likely not end well. It has to be a slow gradual change.

I also agree with Goldenhorse that everything should be 100% secure on the flat before jumping. So she would need to work on changing the position of her toe (technically leg) angle.

However that change from toes pointing outward versus forward needs to be monitored by her coach.

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