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post #11 of 14 Old 11-16-2012, 06:58 PM
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Well, now that you've mentioned rushing, bolting, and over jumping all to describe the same horse, I would suggest taking her back a few steps and find the holes in the training. There's nothing good about a horse that bolts on XC. Fix it now before you get hurt. A green horse is one thing. What you're describing are training issues no matter what the experience level. Maybe start incorporating more dressage training into your routine. She needs to be adjustable and listening to you before she jumps. When you do jump, just trot the jumps to keep everything low key. Really try to find what's in her head. If she rushes a vertical, try a cross rail. If the cross rail doesn't work, trot ground poles. Find what she's comfortable with and then build on that gradually. Hopefully you'll be able to discover what's in her head and create a more rideable horse.

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post #12 of 14 Old 11-16-2012, 08:42 PM Thread Starter
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I only jump her about once a week and do dressage all other days. what I'm trying to describe is not so much bolting, but that after the jump, we are going much faster than before the jump, and sometimes she is a little harder to stop. She's only taken off with me a few times, and none of those were when we were jumping. I honestly think it is experience related because after jump 7 on XC, we were able to canter up to jumps 8-11 controlled and relaxed. Once she gets in her groove, she is perfect. We mostly trot jumps, just because she can pay attention to her feet better. Se is a little clumsy and still learning where her feet are, so when she canters, we get really funky jumps. My trainer thinks she needs more jumping practice, but I don't want to ruin her joints more than they are at such a young age (She raced 20 times and won most so there must be some damage done)

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post #13 of 14 Old 11-18-2012, 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashsunnyeventer View Post
Thanks for the feedback! A few days ago, we tried a bounce for the first time and after a few tries she stopped stopping or trying to make it an extremely short one stride lol. I really felt her rock back and arc over the jump. I've had her for 3ish months now and she still overjumps EVERYTHING. I guess it's better than knocking them down, but it's harder for me to stay with her. I find myself juping more with my butt way behind the motion because I know she is going to take off after the jump.

The only thing that bothers me about doing gymnastics with her is that she rishes through them. She ends up with such a huge and fast step through it that all the jumps get knocked down. She listens to whogreat over any ther jumps, but not in a line. I will really be working on that this winter

Okay, I really don't refer to that action as anxiety. I feel like that's just an excuse.
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I read that she holds her head up more than some other horses you've ridden, first maybe try out a chiropractic visit.. double check to make sure your saddle fits.
I would really like to help guide you through this training experience. There is a lot of crucial foundations that need to be covered in order to successfully achieve an athletic team that will really have some great experiences.

Aside from all the health and comfort in place, my first approach would be slow down. If you're horse is acting "anxious" maybe she's just really not comfortable and ready to do EVERYTHING you are asking.
I recommend focusing on getting back to basics- when you warmup get to know each other more. More transitions.
GREAT job getting through the bounce jump.
Don't put it up so high nor too close if your horse is not comfortable with it- and I'm sure this doesn't help you when you approach it.

Work with small gymnastics, that was one of my fears while training my green mare, and by taking a step back and working on patterns, and HAVE a PLAN of what you will do for your rides. Be confident and really acknowledge what your horse is telling you. It's a privilege to be able to work together as one.

Even sooner than This winter work on poles and the small jumps to step over.
I learned that 3ft can be an easy step. Your horse looks like she's got the same potential!
GOOD LUCK! :) :)

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post #14 of 14 Old 11-19-2012, 06:39 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you so much for your reply- it makes so much sense. We had the chiro (who is also a vet AND a saddle fitter) out to see her, just because she was visiting my other horse too. The chiro said that Sunny's back was a little sore, but she wouldn't worry too much about it because she is still growing and I'm asking her to use those muscles a lot. Since then, I've run my hands down her back with light pressure, and she doesn't flinch or show that she is annoyed. She has also developed more of a top line. Her head is such a big difference because she is actually BALANCED, unlike my gelding. My gelding was trained as a H/J, so I'm not used to being this close to the horse's ears :) The only time her head comes up too high is when she is about to rear, but I fixed that problem the first few times it came up. Apparently she really hated other horses passing her (behavior still from the track?). When we jump, she jumps the first few really awkward, usually, but then finds her groove and is a star. We haven't jumped anything over 2'3, so she can still step over it if she needs to- not that she will because she jumps everything. I'm trying to let her figure out how to jump for herself, so we started off with a lot of free jumping, and now I just don't mess with her on the way to the jump (well, I do, but not ALL the way to the jump).

It's funny that you mentioned poles, because I've been using them for strengthening a lot recently. She didn't know what trot poles were for a while. I'd say for about 2 months, she would jump them. If you had a set of 4 poles out, she would leap across all 4 poles. If it were a longer line, she would jump a few poles at a time. One day a light bulb went off and she got it. Now she can trot throught like a normal horse :) I will say that she jumps EVERYTHING she is unsure about. They put rubber mats in the barn for the cross ties one day, and she jumped on to it because she didn't know what they were. We were going for an in-hand trail ride, and there was a small branch on the ground (like maybe 6 inches tall) and she jumped it instead of stepping over it like any other horse. She has a small scar in her eye that you can only see when she is looking a certain direction. I thought that maybe jumping everything was a vision problem, but the vet found nothing wrong with her eyesight. The scar is npt in her field of vision and it is done scarring- it shouldn't bother her. It might be that she just loves to jump because I've seen her jump out of her field (it was a normal 3 board fence), and then jump back in.

We are really going to work on dressage a lot- she already listens so much better than when I got her. I think the dressage will help us in the jumping (with her listening to my aids and being supple). I'm also going to try to have more jumping lessons with my trainer and see what she thinks. The jumps moved from the outdoor to the indoor today, so I'll probably be jumping more : When I see the standards- I just cant help it :)

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