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    11-02-2012, 12:40 PM
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Critique my flat/jumping

Alrighty... so... Im open to any kind of critique, harsh, or whatever. Im here to learn, and try to improve my riding. And I appreciate the criticism. Oh, and Im a self taugh rider sooooo... I really want to find a trainer, and even just take a few lessons, as Im sure it would do tons of good, but alas, no one rides english around here, or teaches english, so Im stuck all on my lonesome. Anyway, I see in some of the clips my wrists have dropped? Or something like that. It makes me look like I am playing the piano. Very bad, I will work on that. And also, the last three clips were to break up the monotony for Rusty, and I can see that we need tons, and tons of work with barrel racing, hehe


Thank you so so much!

OH, also! In some of the jumping clips I kind of "dive" for his neck... either because I wasnt expecting tha takeoff, or I got left behind or whatever, but its a habit I can't break. I grab for his neck to try and avoid hitting his mouth, and I think it started when I roached his mane off and had nothing to grab... hmmm
     
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    11-02-2012, 12:55 PM
  #2
Trained
Your horse is a willing jumping. It looks like you are both having fun with it. Here are the things that I see.
Your seat looks pretty good.
Your stirrup length is adequate for the small height of the barrels.
When you ride on the flat you should be able to turn without pulling your rein out to the side. He looks like he's beyond green. Try to do flat-work with your hands the same width as the bit, ~ 5 inches apart from each other, thumbs up.
Since you and your horse work well together, and you're not showing (where style counts), try using your weight and seat to ask for transitions from halt to walk, and from walk to trot, then down wards.
Really, the idea of jumping your horse should be for the rider to interfere the least with the horse's motion.
I would suggest that you pick up a copy of George Morris's, Hunter Seat Equitation
Http://www.amazon.com/Hunter-Seat-Equitation-George-Morris/dp/0385413688You'll get a lot out of it.
One more exercise that will really help you is to ride on the flat in 1/2 seat and develop the muscles it takes to stay out of the saddle. THAT will make jumping easier for you.
Have fun!
     
    11-03-2012, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Corporal    
Your horse is a willing jumping. It looks like you are both having fun with it. Here are the things that I see.
Your seat looks pretty good.
Your stirrup length is adequate for the small height of the barrels.
When you ride on the flat you should be able to turn without pulling your rein out to the side. He looks like he's beyond green. Try to do flat-work with your hands the same width as the bit, ~ 5 inches apart from each other, thumbs up.
Since you and your horse work well together, and you're not showing (where style counts), try using your weight and seat to ask for transitions from halt to walk, and from walk to trot, then down wards.
Really, the idea of jumping your horse should be for the rider to interfere the least with the horse's motion.
I would suggest that you pick up a copy of George Morris's, Hunter Seat Equitation
Hunter Seat Equitation: George H. Morris: 9780385413688: Amazon.com: Books
You'll get a lot out of it.
One more exercise that will really help you is to ride on the flat in 1/2 seat and develop the muscles it takes to stay out of the saddle. THAT will make jumping easier for you.
Have fun!
Thank you so so much! Okay, I will start practising turning with my hands close together, rather then spreading them out so far. So, in which way should I use my seat to ask for a change of speed? Sit in a different manner? And I will defiantly look into the book, I have heard good things about George.
Thank you again!
     
    11-03-2012, 10:51 PM
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First comment. Your jump is INCREDIBLY dangerous, a simple fix is to place a pole on either side of the barrels. If you hit them as they are they will roll directly into your path and cause a potential disaster, so find something to keep them stable!

Your leg is too far ahead of you putting you into a 'chair' seat and making it difficult to post. You need to bring your leg back and under you a bit more and really sink into your heels. I have found the simplest exercise of standing up in my stirrups for five minutes each ride and reaaally sinking into my really stretches out your muscles and helps build that muscle memory that will translate into riding. Your posting looks a bit awkward, addressing your leg will help that, and so will trying to cut out some of that arch in your back, getting your bum underneath you and bringing your pelvis toward the pommel of the saddle with each up movement of the post, without gettng behind the motion. Pull your shoulders back to improve posture.

I agree with the above poster, your horse looks like he's capable of quieter cues! So work on getting your horse responsive to smaller cues, and work on using your LEGS around the corners so you're not just pulling on his face. Get your horse bending around your inside leg with lots of circles and pushing him off of the pressure. Lift your hands a little bit, get them out of your lap and relax your wrists.

As for jumping, work on not bracing yourself on the wither after the jump, building the muscle that will allow you to regain your position after the jump rather than hunching over forward and don't TIP your body before the jump.
     
    11-03-2012, 11:50 PM
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Hi there!! You are a wonderful little pair, I'll start out with :)

I'm going to just go ahead and critique the horse first. He reminds me SO much of Diamond in her earlier days, and I wanted to share some of the things I did with her :)
Your pony seems to have his head where he wishes, and looks to be bracing against that bit just a little more than I'd like. What I would do is groundwork - flexing. For an explanation of how to do the excersize, in depth, and better than I can teach you, look up Clinton Anderson - Flexing. If you're against NH, I promise, this really isn't. It's just something to do to really loosen up your pony. You can also do this undersaddle, as I'm sure Clinton would show. If he doesn't it's the same concept, with reins.
After you've done flexing, I would make sure this horse goes off leg cues really well. Does he? Are you able to move his body where you want it to go, just by using your leg? If you can, wonderufl!! If not, then I would work on this. Then practice this excersize -
Bend your horse to the inside of a large circle. Then, use your inside leg to push him away from the circle. You are pretty much saying, 'turn your nose in, but don't turn your shoulders.' You should be able to feel it if he does it right. Do this both ways. This will help get him really supple, and accepting. This worked miracles for Diamond.

Okay, now just a few things about you!
I'm going to start with the big one - you must get some muscle on you!! LOTS of core muscle! I would start doing 30 situps every single night of your life. You have no idea how much just a minute of this excersize a day will drastically improve your riding. You will be able to move with him better, hold yourself better, jump better ... eerything better!!
That said, I'm thinking you need a little work on 2-point/jumping position. No drastic changes! Just spend LOTS of time there :) This will help drastically.

See, nothing bad :) You two are looking great! I'm very suprised your self taught!
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    11-05-2012, 08:14 PM
  #6
Weanling
Good for you! :) you guys look great for self-taught!
I've been doing the same with my gelding :) Nobody around here rides English, so I bought an english saddle and taught myself and my pony! :)
I can't really critique your riding because I'm not a whole lot farther than you, but I can tell you what I've been doing (what people on here and people I know who jump have told me what to do!)
It's a lot easier for both you and your horse to set up a ground pole about 9 feet (depending on your horse's strides) from the jump. It helps your horse set himself up for the jump, and it helps you see where to go into the two point.
What I did when I first started jumping was the ground pole/small jump setup. I'd go into the two point over the ground pole and stay there until I'm done with the jump. It helps you not catch your horse in the mouth while he's figuring things out (which will discourage him from wanting to jump) and it also helps you get the feel of things :)
Once I was comfortable with that, I put 2 ground poles in front of the jump. Then I set up a groundpole-jump-groundpole-jump, and so on! :) It's been working pretty well for me!
Hope I helped a little
     
    11-06-2012, 06:44 AM
  #7
Weanling
I think that you are doing very well for being self taught!
I noticed that you seem to ride in a chair seat, meaning your lower leg is too far forward. Also you post on the wrong diagonal a lot. When circling, you should be rising as the inside leg goes forward, and sitting at the outside leg goes back.
I don't know anything about barrel racing so can't offer anything on that.
Your jumping position seems to come very naturally to you, and although you (as you've already said) dive with your hands a couple of times, you're not yanking him in the mouth. I noticed that your striding is a little off, you could try setting up canter poles for working out how to space his stride, then place a canter pole before the jump (also allowing for take off space)
You should invest in a few lessons, I think you will really benefit from them (not that you're not doing well, because you are!)
     
    11-06-2012, 10:06 AM
  #8
Foal
Suprisingly, A VERY well self taugh rider!!! :) Don't see those much.
Anyways, a couple things with your horse first:
If you plan on showing, get that head down lengthen that stride. To do this just hold him back but squeeze at the same time (No that is NOT mixed signals, if your a rider you know that)
To keep him from leaving you behind, half halt, which is also squeezing and holding back at the same time before a jump.
Now for you:
Your posting is a bit off, and most of the time your on the wrong diagnol. Keep your legs in a straigh line as you post, so they don't go back or forward. And go back in the saddle lightly, don't plop down.
Your going into a two point a little late, once he takes off immediatly go into it.
Hope I could help! :))
     
    11-08-2012, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by alexischristina    
First comment. Your jump is INCREDIBLY dangerous, a simple fix is to place a pole on either side of the barrels. If you hit them as they are they will roll directly into your path and cause a potential disaster, so find something to keep them stable!
I know you can't see it in the video, but I actually do have have the barrels weighted, so if he hits them they don't roll out.

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Your leg is too far ahead of you putting you into a 'chair' seat and making it difficult to post. You need to bring your leg back and under you a bit more and really sink into your heels. I have found the simplest exercise of standing up in my stirrups for five minutes each ride and reaaally sinking into my really stretches out your muscles and helps build that muscle memory that will translate into riding. Your posting looks a bit awkward, addressing your leg will help that, and so will trying to cut out some of that arch in your back, getting your bum underneath you and bringing your pelvis toward the pommel of the saddle with each up movement of the post, without gettng behind the motion. Pull your shoulders back to improve posture.
All right, thank you! I will defiantly work on getting my leg more underneath me in, hip heel alignment. Its funny, how I think my riding is all good until I record myself, them I am like "wut O.O"

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I agree with the above poster, your horse looks like he's capable of quieter cues! So work on getting your horse responsive to smaller cues, and work on using your LEGS around the corners so you're not just pulling on his face. Get your horse bending around your inside leg with lots of circles and pushing him off of the pressure. Lift your hands a little bit, get them out of your lap and relax your wrists.
Okay, so when taking a left turn, push with my inside (left) leg, so he is, as you said, bending around it? My hands are a major difficulty for me. I will work on them.

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As for jumping, work on not bracing yourself on the wither after the jump, building the muscle that will allow you to regain your position after the jump rather than hunching over forward and don't TIP your body before the jump.
I don't quite remember bracing on the withers after he landed, I was attempting on not sitting back so soon, which is also something I struggle with. Thank you so much for everything, what a lovely reply!

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Originally Posted by xJumperx    
Hi there!! You are a wonderful little pair, I'll start out with :)
Why thank you!

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I'm going to just go ahead and critique the horse first. He reminds me SO much of Diamond in her earlier days, and I wanted to share some of the things I did with her :)
Your pony seems to have his head where he wishes, and looks to be bracing against that bit just a little more than I'd like. What I would do is groundwork - flexing. For an explanation of how to do the excersize, in depth, and better than I can teach you, look up Clinton Anderson - Flexing. If you're against NH, I promise, this really isn't. It's just something to do to really loosen up your pony. You can also do this undersaddle, as I'm sure Clinton would show. If he doesn't it's the same concept, with reins.
You know, I actually do flex him, I just looked up CA flexing, and its nearly identical to what I do with Rusty already. He is actually very willing and loose to flex, undersaddle and on ground. :)

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After you've done flexing, I would make sure this horse goes off leg cues really well. Does he? Are you able to move his body where you want it to go, just by using your leg?
I have spent time trying to teach him, but never fully followed through with it. He can move a little off leg cues, but nothing dramatic.

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practice this excersize -
Bend your horse to the inside of a large circle. Then, use your inside leg to push him away from the circle. You are pretty much saying, 'turn your nose in, but don't turn your shoulders.' You should be able to feel it if he does it right. Do this both ways. This will help get him really supple, and accepting. This worked miracles for Diamond.
Okay! I will for sure try this today when riding, thank you!

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Okay, now just a few things about you!
I'm going to start with the big one - you must get some muscle on you!! LOTS of core muscle! I would start doing 30 situps every single night of your life. You have no idea how much just a minute of this excersize a day will drastically improve your riding. You will be able to move with him better, hold yourself better, jump better ... eerything better!!
Hehe, I have been doing sit ups, not long, maybe two weeksish, but I guess they havent been helping much yet :P

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That said, I'm thinking you need a little work on 2-point/jumping position. No drastic changes! Just spend LOTS of time there :) This will help drastically.
What specific things should I be working on? :)

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See, nothing bad :) You two are looking great! I'm very suprised your self taught!
Thank you again for your nice critique :) I will take every word and try to apply it to my riding :)

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Originally Posted by DoubleS    
Good for you! :) you guys look great for self-taught!I've been doing the same with my gelding :) Nobody around here rides English, so I bought an english saddle and taught myself and my pony! :)
Thank you! Kudos to you for teaching yourself! We both know what a journey it is!

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I can't really critique your riding because I'm not a whole lot farther than you, but I can tell you what I've been doing (what people on here and people I know who jump have told me what to do!)
It's a lot easier for both you and your horse to set up a ground pole about 9 feet (depending on your horse's strides) from the jump. It helps your horse set himself up for the jump, and it helps you see where to go into the two point.
I have put grounds poles up on multiple occasions and it seems just to mess Rusty up, as he either smashes them, and then they are in our path, or he decides to jump them... they just seem to reek more havick than they benefit BUT, I will try laying down... something heavier, maybe a wooden post...

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What I did when I first started jumping was the ground pole/small jump setup. I'd go into the two point over the ground pole and stay there until I'm done with the jump. It helps you not catch your horse in the mouth while he's figuring things out (which will discourage him from wanting to jump) and it also helps you get the feel of things :)
Once I was comfortable with that, I put 2 ground poles in front of the jump. Then I set up a groundpole-jump-groundpole-jump, and so on! :) It's been working pretty well for me!
Okay, will give this a try! I have done... loads, and loads, and loads, and loads of grid work with Rusty, it being our main jumping "course" for quite awhile, but he just doesnt respect any really small jumps with a pole...

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Hope I helped a little
You did! Thank you for your time!

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Originally Posted by ElaineLighten    
I think that you are doing very well for being self taught!
Awee, thanks!

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I noticed that you seem to ride in a chair seat, meaning your lower leg is too far forward. Also you post on the wrong diagonal a lot. When circling, you should be rising as the inside leg goes forward, and sitting at the outside leg goes back.
Mmm, yes, I will really work on bringing my lower leg more up underneath me, for sure. Oooh, diagonals are really a challenge for me. I need to write what you just said about them on my hand so I can remember I always forget what diagonal Im supposed to be on... If your on the wrong diagonal, do you just sit for two beats then start posting again?

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I don't know anything about barrel racing so can't offer anything on that.
Your jumping position seems to come very naturally to you, and although you (as you've already said) dive with your hands a couple of times, you're not yanking him in the mouth. I noticed that your striding is a little off, you could try setting up canter poles for working out how to space his stride, then place a canter pole before the jump (also allowing for take off space)
Yes, canter poles and Rusty don't mix... I need to find a way to get him respecting them... Anything I can do to work on so as he actually canters over the poles, rather than into?

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You should invest in a few lessons, I think you will really benefit from them (not that you're not doing well, because you are!)
I would truly really love too. I need to find a good English trainer around here... Thank you for your critique :)

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Originally Posted by Barrelracer00    
Suprisingly, A VERY well self taugh rider!!! :) Don't see those much.
Thank you so much!

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Anyways, a couple things with your horse first:
If you plan on showing, get that head down lengthen that stride. To do this just hold him back but squeeze at the same time (No that is NOT mixed signals, if your a rider you know that)
I don't know about showing... I would love to, but their really isnt a whole lot of English shows around here, and I don't know if Im even near ready for showing, BUT I am still going to work on getting his head on the vertical :)

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To keep him from leaving you behind, half halt, which is also squeezing and holding back at the same time before a jump.
Now for you:
Your posting is a bit off, and most of the time your on the wrong diagnol. Keep your legs in a straigh line as you post, so they don't go back or forward. And go back in the saddle lightly, don't plop down.
Your going into a two point a little late, once he takes off immediatly go into it.
Hope I could help! :))
Half halt in before the jump, so he is on the right stride??

Thank you for your critique, its much appreciated :)
     
    11-08-2012, 10:40 AM
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I will go out riding today, and will try to record it and work on everyone's advice. Thank you all for the wonderful posts!
     

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