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post #11 of 16 Old 09-27-2010, 05:33 AM
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hehehehhehehehehe i saw that in his blaze toooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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post #12 of 16 Old 09-27-2010, 01:45 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks guys so much! Jag your post made me super optimistic, i figured he'd have a few faults, but in terms of an overall view i'm happy. I think he's going to turn out to be a nice horse with proper training and care. :) I definitely learned a lot from your post as well, his neck is super awkward.. but is there a chance with proper training (like you said, on the bit and use of his topline) and the proper muscle build up, that he could have a nice frame and prettier neck? I'm just wondering. Any advice would be great!

Also, what do yall say about roaching his mane ? I personally like that appearance.. but do you think it'd have a worse affect on his already scrawny neck?

"shoulder/pastern angle. Upright shoulders"
"long pasterns"

What's that really mean. I know that's not conformation correct, but is it really THAT big of a deal overall? I mean when he grows up and fills out, is this gunna affect him? I always put protective boots on my horses whenever they do any work. (Lunging, ANY Saddle work, bareback. etc.) But besides short strides, (unfortunately :'( ) in his future hunter career, what do you see in him.

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post #13 of 16 Old 09-27-2010, 01:52 PM
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The angle of his shoulder will cause him to travel with more of a short, jarring gait. That will put more pressure on his already long/weak pasterns and make him more prone to tendon injuries on the front. He should be fine for any kind of work on the flat (with proper leg protection) but I certainly wouldn't train him for any kind of jumping. As for roaching his mane, it is your choice, but I think I would at least wait until he had more weight and muscle for a more balanced look. Nothing will ever change the basic shape of his neck, but with good training to build up the proper muscles, he will look much better. He will likely never have that gorgeous neck you see on other horses, but he will look more balanced and fluid as he ages and bulks up.
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I was reading and it says an ewe neck is common with TB's & Arabians.
As for the upright shoulder. (correct me if i'm wrong.) but it says it's better for horses who race.. like TB's & Quarters. If that's the case, then wouldn't OTTB's have upright shoulders? How come they've made good hunters and jumpers then? It also states that upright shoulders generally lead to bad form over fences. The slight roached back seems more common.. again it affects jumping. ANDDD as for the long pasterns, again.. common in TB's for racing ..

it all makes sense since he was bred out of a winning TB mare. His faults will affect his jumping, but he was bred to race.. correct? & I'm not fully understanding why so many OTTB's have such success in jumping if they're build for a successful race is so opposing to a hunter/jumper build.

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post #15 of 16 Old 09-27-2010, 05:02 PM
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Upright shoulders are NOT common any any breed/discipline. The angle of the shoulder dictates the "reach" the horse will have - or the length of stride in the front he will be able to accomplish. Through common sense, a racing horse needs a long stride to cover more ground with less energy, so a long, sloping shoulder is ideal. Look at any accomplished race horse and they will have large, sloping shoulders.

Long pasterns on the other hand, you are right - very common in racing thoroughbreds, though - not a good thing at all. Those long, weak pasterns are one of the major factors why you see so many race horses break down on the track. Imagine - you have a rubber band and you stretch it as far as you can 100 times, then you have another rubber band and just stretch it a little 100 times. The first one is going to be much looser, and more prone to snapping. This is an analogy for what happens to a horse's suspensitory ligaments with long pasterns. Each time it takes a step, it stretches the ligaments much farther than a horse with shorter pasterns would because it doesn't have the support like a shorter pastern'ed horse would. So, they are more prone to ligament injuries. But, then - on the flip side; a horse with short, upright pasterns will also have injuries because while their ligaments will be safe - they will be taking the concussion of their strides up through their bones and joints, so they will be prone to bone fractures and joint stress. It all just depends - your horse does have long pasterns, and you should simply be aware of that fact and take it into consideration while you train. I wouldn't say you CAN'T jump, just that you will need to pay close attention to your horse's tendon/ligament health. If you see any swelling or heat in his legs, you know you are going too far for his conformational limitations.

As for your comment on roach backed horses - I personally don't believe your horse is roach backed. You are just seeing a dip in his back because he lacks topline and a strong loin coupling (which will improve with conditioning and strength training). But, I can't say for sure without seeing him in real life.

If you have any more question, please ask - I'm glad to help! :)
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post #16 of 16 Old 09-27-2010, 08:05 PM Thread Starter
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thanks again! :) i read it online.. what you said makes sense & if i was really thinking, i would have realized that race horses would need bigger strides. So my mistake. He doesn't look like he has a roached back, but i could be wrong. His withers aren't that high and his topline doesn't look too bad ..with what condition he is in.

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