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    08-18-2011, 04:11 PM
  #21
Yearling
I'm sorry... can someone explain "hollow" for me? I can't quite picture what a "hollow" horse would look like.
     
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    08-18-2011, 04:27 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by Oxer    
i'm sorry... can someone explain "hollow" for me? I can't quite picture what a "hollow" horse would look like.

Hollow is when a horse carries their head high with their nose sticking out. It results with the horse making its back go down instead of rounded like it should be.
     
    08-18-2011, 04:41 PM
  #23
Yearling
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Originally Posted by jumanji321    
Hollow is when a horse carries their head high with their nose sticking out. It results with the horse making its back go down instead of rounded like it should be.
a horse can be hollow even w their head being down, a horse that is hollow is one that is not engaging its highend and pushing its back up


Peteys issue is that he's not completely hollow lol he's like half way hollow he pushes with his butt and his back is up some but not where it should be, but then again its very difficult to get a horse to do this and takes time and work. A lot of horses you can do long and low to build up the back muscles... we are trying this but he's not a big fan.
     
    08-18-2011, 05:41 PM
  #24
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Originally Posted by FoxyRoxy1507    
you can't expect a miracle after one lesson! Yes he is stiff and doesnt bend but like I said it was only our first lesson after 10 months off, and before that there wasnt a lot of consistent riding due to my work schedule. We were focusing on relaxing him bc you can't have bend or work on the hollowness if your horse isnt relaxed... so now that he's beginning to relax the next lesson will be working on the hollowness and bending and then we will also be working on my position, which im also doing at home as well.

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I am not questioning your trainer credentials but I would NEVER have asked for a lesson if the horse has been off for 10 months.

And yes relaxing will help with any horse that is going hollow but from the first video to the last, I really didn't see any relaxation. Maybe partly due to the layoff length but also NO stretching exercises were show in any video...all I saw was a horse that remained stiff throughout and in spite of this you decided to jump him anyways....again after 10 months off. Not something I would ask or expect from the problems this horse has and the layoff length.

The section you are posting is thread IS the CRITIQUE section and I am giving you an honest critique. Take or dismiss whatever you want.
     
    08-18-2011, 05:46 PM
  #25
Yearling
After watching the video of you jumping (now it may have just been the video) it looks like after you land the jump and your horse starts cantering that you are leaning a bit forward with your shoulders.
     
    08-18-2011, 06:02 PM
  #26
Foal
Ah must have been really lovely after a break :) well done you two :) x
     
    08-18-2011, 06:29 PM
  #27
Trained
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Originally Posted by Spyder    

The other problem is that the rider's position can never be addressed until the horse they are riding is going correctly. Otherwise their position will always be compromised and I firmly believe that you allow a horse to continue is the wrong position, you are effectively training it to go in the wrong position.
Spyder, I have to say I am baffled by your responses on this thread. Your initial one line response seemed to have no more motivation than to blow the OP out of the water after what she described as a successful start with her new trainer. Couldn't that comment have been more constructive?

In response to your "hollow" comment, you more than anyone knows that a horse cannot build the muscles necessary to carry itself properly overnight and you expect it to take place on the first lesson after a long layoff? Again, I'm lost.

With your above comment, doesn't the rider's position need to be effective before the horse can carry itself properly? I was always taught that the horse is a mirror image of our position. If the riders is impeding the horse's movement, how in the world is it supposed to move properly? How many of us have had problems while riding our horses that were magically solved once our instructor hopped on and corrected the problem instantly since they had better position awareness? Looks like the OP has chosen to work on the rider's position and is planning on addressing the horse next.

Yes, perhaps jumping after a long layoff might not make much sense, but this was her first lesson with him. Maybe he wanted to see what he was working with so he could devise a plan moving forward?

OP, looks like a good start. I'm glad you clicked well with your new instructor. That's always a good thing!
     
    08-18-2011, 06:41 PM
  #28
Yearling
Thank you MyBoyPuck, my trainer is very well of what my horse can and cannot do as he used to ride my horse before I got him and he knows what Petey needs. As far as the jumping too soon, its a small jump and it doesn't bother him at all, he's one of the first horses I've ever met that jumping relaxes him and is a def reward for him :) my idea of taking a lesson so soon after a layoff was so that we could start correctly from the beginning bc Petey is a VERY difficult horse. I've know Ralph for a while and watched some of his clinics but never had personal lessons w/ him so now that I am I am ECSTATIC!


THANK YOU to all of you for your positive comments, for me coming this far, tho it may seem small for others is very accomplishing w this horse. He was so abused and had issues, he was lame for a long time and vets couldn't fig it out because they kept looking at his feet and legs, (found out he had broken wither that was irritated) that he was supposed to b a pasture pet for the rest of his life which is why he went from Ralph to my trainer ah gave him to me! So coming from that to where we are and now w a trainer that can help us progress is such an amazing feeling! Not to mention I've heard the horror stories of how no one else could ride him bc he had such an attitude and was picky about who rode him.
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    08-18-2011, 07:04 PM
  #29
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I agree with Ralph's approach. SLOW!! You need to get the horse back into shape slowly to build the muscles SLOWLY. Some people are just too impatient. I would likely not have asked very much more either on the first lesson.

Ralph is patient and THOROUGH. He will not have you grab and kick on a horse so out of shape.

As for the jumps...Phoey! Those little jumps are no more than the bucks he makes when romping in the pasture. I would have had you pop over a few too, probably. Again, nothing to argue about.

Trust Ralph. I have seen him ride and train and he will steer you well. People on this forum do not know you or the horse, so take all comments with a certain grain of salt.
     
    08-18-2011, 08:10 PM
  #30
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Originally Posted by MyBoyPuck    
Spyder, I have to say I am baffled by your responses on this thread. Your initial one line response seemed to have no more motivation than to blow the OP out of the water after what she described as a successful start with her new trainer. Couldn't that comment have been more constructive?
No it was an comment to describe what I thought was lacking and never saw it addressed in any of the videos.

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In response to your "hollow" comment, you more than anyone knows that a horse cannot build the muscles necessary to carry itself properly overnight and you expect it to take place on the first lesson after a long layoff? Again, I'm lost.
Very true, muscles need to be built up but to ride a stiff horse forward expecting that riding forward alone will build up muscles when those muscles are stiff will NEVER get a relaxed horse to where those muscles can be enacted on.

What I am saying that you cannot expect a 100 meter sprinter to do any sort of credible job by just getting in the starting gate and running. No way will that person's muscles benefit without stretching and getting those muscles READY before work is asked of them. The OP already said her horse doesn't like to stretch so there is where the problem lies. It is far easier to work on stuff that they both like even if in the long run it is not the best road. Working on the basics is ALWAYS the key to further learning.

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With your above comment, doesn't the rider's position need to be effective before the horse can carry itself properly? I was always taught that the horse is a mirror image of our position. If the riders is impeding the horse's movement, how in the world is it supposed to move properly? How many of us have had problems while riding our horses that were magically solved once our instructor hopped on and corrected the problem instantly since they had better position awareness? Looks like the OP has chosen to work on the rider's position and is planning on addressing the horse next.
If the horse is stiff it will AUTOMATICALLY throw off the position of the rider. So while work on the rider is important that position will NEVER be corrected if the horse is going hollow as that hollowness will ALWAYS throw the rider into a position of trying to align itsef with a horse that is NOT going symmetrically. I would have liked to have seen work of BOTH the horse and rider together because they are not two separate things but intertwined. You cannot separate the horse's position from the rider's by saying we are working on one thing at a time. Do without the jumping and spend more time on loosening up the horse would have been the way I would have gone.

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Yes, perhaps jumping after a long layoff might not make much sense, but this was her first lesson with him. Maybe he wanted to see what he was working with so he could devise a plan moving forward?
Saying that jumping with a but it was the first lesson is what makes no sense at all. The OP admits the horse is not going correctly and that is so evident when you see the horse landing and totally unbalanced after the jump. This would be the same as free jumping a 3 year old over a four foot jump for the first time ever because, well the horse can jump it.
     

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