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        01-14-2013, 12:33 PM
    I for one would like to hear the explanation as to WHY each piece of tack is being used?

    As well on the skinny issue - I'm wondering if a vet has seen the horse and scoped for ulcers. Yes horses lose weight when they are stressed, but prolonged anorexia, or refusal to eat is definitely a sign that something is wrong either physically or diet wise. I would be quite concerned about his condition, and as others have pointed out, would not be doing more than light riding, and definitely not jumping!
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        01-14-2013, 12:39 PM
    Here is an interesting article for you to look at,d.aWM
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        01-14-2013, 12:48 PM
    Green Broke
    I watched a video of you riding maybe a lesson horse that was in good shape. I trust after you have had this one a bit and with the help of your instructor that this horse will fill out and improve with time.
        01-14-2013, 01:51 PM
    Originally Posted by Justina    
    It would be interesting to see a video of you two :)
    Alright, I can do that :)
        01-14-2013, 01:56 PM
    Great, it will be interesting to see how you two get along :)
    If you can film him moving on the lunge without any tack that would be even better.

    Meanwhile check out that article Golden_Horse posted, it's quite good and explains a lot.
        01-15-2013, 04:17 AM
    Stuff like this blows my mind, this horse needs muscle EVERYWHERE. It kills me that all the gadgets you have stuck on this poor animal are what you think makes a horse gain muscle. There's absolutly no short cuts in good training, but man people sure do try don't they
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        01-15-2013, 08:29 AM
    The horse is really cute and appears to be very forgiving. Seems to have a pleasant expression in spite of all the things going on. That alone is worth a ton.

    IMO, you need to ditch it all when you ride and work on hills, lunging with loose bungee cords for a short time before riding to improve overall topline and a good diet. If he can jump well now (as you state) he will be exceptional if you build him up correctly.

    Like I said, he's very cute.
        01-15-2013, 02:46 PM
    Let's say you laid in a bed for 2 years. You got up to go to the bathroom and to the kitchen but then apart from that all you did for 24 hrs a day was watch TV and sleep. As well, all the food you ever got was low calorie, low protein. So here you are, a skinny, undermuscled individual.

    Then one day I came to your house, threw on about 65 different items of running apparel, registered you for a 10 km run and chased you with a big stick everytime you slowed down.

    THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO YOUR HORSE!!! HOW you can possibly justify that and say that it's ok for him to jump (which is EXERTING for a horse!) is beyond me! Even a non-horsey person could logically connect the dots here. In order to undergo strenous exercise and come out of it fit, sound and healthy, an animal (human or otherwise) first has to be conditioned for it. An undermuscled human can't run 10k runs and come out uninjured. An undermuscled, underfed horse can't consistently be jumping and come out uninjured. At the very LEAST you are ruining any sort of partnership or bond that you could be developing with this animal. Every time you lead him into that jumping ring he hates you a little more (and you can use the "oh but he loooovves to jump!" line on some other unsuspecting sucker! Maybe he does love to jump! I love to run! But not if I'm hungry and unfit!).

    Give him time and conditioning and I'm sure he'd be very cute. Keep doing what you're doing and he'll either go sour or lame before you even get to show season.

    What's also beyond my understanding is how this clearly underfed, undermuscled horse needs SO much hardware to control him? How will he be when he's fed and has energy? Also, are you jumping in draw reins?? Draw reins can have a purpose in the right hands, but jumping in them in them is just going to unnecessarily catch your horse in the mouth and teach him that jumping = NO FUN.

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        01-15-2013, 07:28 PM
    He looks like a lovely horse! What a kind expression and I think he'll be quite lovely with some more groceries and muscle. There are lots of different schools of thought on how to best "re-feed" a skinny horse, but do some research on your own in addition to what your vet, trainer, etc. tell you and make sure that he is getting adequate protein and fat. For the hard keeping types this can make all the difference in the world.

    I also think you've got way too much gear on his head. If you are not trying to jump or do intensive flat work, can you ride him in a simple snaffle (or perhaps just snaffle +martingale)? If you can ride him just fine doing simple exercises in the snaffle, but he is heavy or "difficult" when doing lots of trot work, lateral work, cantering or jumping, it is likely because he is simply unable to carry himself properly due to lack of muscling and the previous improper training you have mentioned. Please, please ditch the draw reins. They can only have the opposite effect from what you say that you want.

    If this horse were mine, I would take a break from jumping him (but definitely would incorporate ground poles/cavelleti as he was ready for them) and would focus primarily on hacking out, with hill work if possible. I would ride him in the gentlest bit and with the lightest contact possible. If he felt unbalanced or like he was leaning/bracing, I would use downward transitions, halts and rein backs to rebalance him rather than using heavy rein aids. It is hard work, but if you are gentle, firm and consistent, you can intact retrain a horse to develop the correct musculature and learn to travel comfortably in the contact. Keep the sessions short at first and increase them in length as he becomes fitter.

    I take the time to write all of this because he looks to be a kind horse, you look to be a kind rider and I hope you will consider what I and many other posters have written because it looks like you two could be a very nice pair if you were willing to take a bit of a different approach.

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