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        05-25-2008, 10:43 PM
      #1
    Banned
    Critique my riding! (lots of big pics)

    Here are some pictures of me on Devon. They were just taken recently so that will give me an idea of what I was doing wrong... and what I should work on.
    I know in most of the pictures my arms aren't bent too much...that is because my trainer said I should hold my reins like that for Devon because he's a crazy beast hehe



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    Canter


    ^^yes I meant to look at the camera...hehe



         
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        05-26-2008, 12:05 AM
      #2
    Showing
    A couple of things
    - why is the horse in a double bridle? His neck is really muscled on the underside which means he isn't working through his back, and that makes me wonder why he would have a double bridle in his mouth?
    - your leg is really far forwards, concentrate on keeping it back underneath of you.
    - you are really bouncing out of the saddle when you're cantering, you need to think about sitting deep in your seat and using your butt to ride - it's an aid as well, it's not just something you sit on ;)

    First picture:
    You have nice upper body position in the first picture, try and keep that through all the gaits.

    Second picture:
    - you are rotating your wrists in, which is bringing the bit very far back and making the horse hollow out. Also the curb chain is too long, the curb bit is coming much too far back.
    - either the stirrups are too long or you're gripping with your toe, because your heel is coming way up and you're trying to stretch for the stirrup with your toe.

    Third pic:
    - leg back, leg back, leg back.
    - heel down.
    - hands need to release the rein... or you need to be in another bit, that double is really doing nothing for that horse.

    Fourth pic:
    - too blurry to get much from it, but leg back, heels down, and release that horse's head

    Fifth pic:
    - again, you're hanging on that horse's head; you need to ride with the motion of the head; double bridles are very severe.
    - leg back and under you.
    - shoulders back

    Sixth pic:
    - horse is dropping the shoulder and hip around the turn, you need to pick him up with the inside rein and leg, while supporting with your outside aids.
    - leg back, heels down

    Seventh pic:
    - Since the horse is working kind of in a frame here, the curb should be soft, but it's not - meaning your curb rein should be a bit longer.
    - you're not using your seat and are coming really far out of the saddle; you need to sit deep in your seat and ride the canter.
    - shoulders back


    All in all, your upper body is fairly good, you just need to think of rolling your shoulders back. Your lower leg and seat need some work, but that will come as long as you get on it. You need to develop softer hands, especially with such a strong bit.
    Looking good, you just have some things to work on - and hey, who doesn't?? :)
         
        05-26-2008, 12:30 AM
      #3
    Yearling
    I like this horse, I think he is going to be lovelyonce you build him up properly. He definitely doesnt look like a crazy beast.

    Firstly do you know how to use double reins?? And is that a pelhem or double bridle?? I can't see properly but it looks like a pelhem and it looks like you have the cheekpeice attached to the wrong ring. But like I said I can't see it properly. I think you should try him in a soft snaffle. In some of the pictures you look like you are on his mouth too much, and in those pictures you can see that he is responding by opening his mouth and trying to evade the bit, in one pic he has even thrown his head up and tensed his back. With a bit like that in his mouth you need to be much softer with your hands.

    I think the saddle you are in is putting you in a terrible position. I would like to see some pics with this horse in a dressage saddle.
    Most of the pictures are to blurry to critique.
         
        05-26-2008, 12:48 AM
      #4
    Showing
    Miss katie, I was with you on the Pelham vs Double issue - but I'm 90% sure it's a double bridle; I think I can see two cheek pieces attaching separately to the snaffle and curb. Pretty sure anyways ;)
         
        05-26-2008, 12:53 AM
      #5
    Yearling
    Yer I thought I could in one shot too, but really wasnt sure :P Its really hard to see.
         
        05-26-2008, 08:52 AM
      #6
    Banned
    I believe a double bridle is the term for it...it has two bits...a snaffle and not sure the name of the other one...it's a brigadoon bridle (at least I think that's the correct name for it). I had a lesson from the owner of the horse (not the barn owner...but the barn owner's daughter) and she showed me how to hold the reins...she said to keep contact with both bits and to hold the bottom rein (the one that controls the thick bit....the more severe one) on the duct tape....she put duct tape on the reins a long time ago so she knew where to hold.

    Could my legs being far ahead (I did know they were) be caused by the saddle being a size 18 where I take a 15-16? The saddle was way to big but that was the only western saddle left....(too big on me), so I tried to sit in the middle but I kept sliding back in the saddle...so I stayed at the back.

    I had just asked for a canter in that one pic where I look like I'm bouncing...at first he does a horrible uneven canter but once he takes 2 steps he gets smooth....not sure at what time she took the picture though

    I tried keeping that same upper body position, but it was hard since I was trying to get him to settle down before I asked for a canter

    In the second pic I had just cantered, lost my left stirrup and I made him stop so I can get the stirrup and I placed down the reins...so I was regaining my hand position on the reins...at least I think that's what happened...but I will work more on keeping my hands straight and not moving them

    With Devon if you release too much...he takes off...I was holding it where my instructor told me too...on the duct tape and I rode him in a lesson and she didn't comment on my hands at all.

    To me, in the fourth my heels look really far down...I have weak ankles so at times it's hard for me to keep my ankles down for a long period of time

    I think, with the sixth pic you actually meant the 7th picture and with the seventh you actually meant the eighth (i'm guessin)
    Yes, Devon does motorcycle turns and I tried before to upright him, but he wouldn't...I'll try again with that with a better saddle...which would hopefully be the right seat size for me hehe

    I know my legs need work, they always have and probably always will...and I think my seat my be better if I ride in a smaller western saddle....having a huge western saddle never helps anything...
    As for my hands...I'll try using a different bridle next time...I know I was holding the bridle in the right place because the girl marked the reins with duct tape...but maybe she was wrong about the places

    Also Devon is really energetic...the more you go the more excitable he gets...like the energizer bunny hehe. That's why I don't lunge him or anything. So you need a fairly firm hand or else he will go really fast.



    Miss Katie
    You'd be surprised....he's not too crazy, but he's super fast...he laps everyone in the arena just with a walk hehe
    Devon usually keeps his mouth open...even while lunging, but I do agree at times I was too tight on his mouth...but sometimes I was half halting strongly to get him to slow down
    Again I will ride him in his other bridle (not sure what type of bit it is) and see how he does then

    No one has ever ridden Devon in an english saddle don't know why, but it might be because of his motorcycle turns and him just wanted to go really fast. I might try it...but I'd more than likely ride him in an AP because the only dressage saddle that's available is one that seems really high in the back, yet low in the front

    I will work on everything you all mentioned and will get some photos of me riding Sonny that will show how I'm riding him ;)
    Thanks y'all
         
        05-26-2008, 11:36 AM
      #7
    Showing
    The saddle should have very little to do with your position. If you have a solid position, you could be riding upside down and your legs would remain in the same place - mind, it takes a long time to get to this point, so just keep working on it and you'll get there.
    In regards to the bouncing, once you develop a good seat, it doesn't matter what the horse does underneath of you, you shouldn't see daylight between your butt and the saddle, unless you mean to.
    If the bridle had 2 bits, like you explained, then yes it was a double bridle (snaffle and brigadoon). The thing that I don't like about the duct tape issue is that every rider has different hands - in this case, the bits were much too tight in the horse's mouth, he was NOT getting any release from the curb. And your instructor worries me a little - your curb rein should remain quiet and NOT engaged throughout most of the ride, then when you need that extra little "listen to me" (for upper level dressage movements) then you tweak it for a second.
    In all honesty, unless this lady is riding upper level dressage, I would take that double off this horse. (And I just read that she's riding in a western saddle, so the chances of that are slim) If she's just using it for the extra "whoa" then there are other methods of achieving that. The horse's topline is very under-developed in comparison to the muscles underneath the neck, which makes me think he isn't being ridden round, and is using those muscles to his advantage - if she got him working round and through himself, she could probably start getting a better "whoa" out of him without the double.
    Alrightey, I'm done my little speech.
         
        05-26-2008, 09:05 PM
      #8
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
    The saddle should have very little to do with your position. If you have a solid position, you could be riding upside down and your legs would remain in the same place - mind, it takes a long time to get to this point, so just keep working on it and you'll get there.
    In regards to the bouncing, once you develop a good seat, it doesn't matter what the horse does underneath of you, you shouldn't see daylight between your butt and the saddle, unless you mean to.
    If the bridle had 2 bits, like you explained, then yes it was a double bridle (snaffle and brigadoon). The thing that I don't like about the duct tape issue is that every rider has different hands - in this case, the bits were much too tight in the horse's mouth, he was NOT getting any release from the curb. And your instructor worries me a little - your curb rein should remain quiet and NOT engaged throughout most of the ride, then when you need that extra little "listen to me" (for upper level dressage movements) then you tweak it for a second.
    In all honesty, unless this lady is riding upper level dressage, I would take that double off this horse. (And I just read that she's riding in a western saddle, so the chances of that are slim) If she's just using it for the extra "whoa" then there are other methods of achieving that. The horse's topline is very under-developed in comparison to the muscles underneath the neck, which makes me think he isn't being ridden round, and is using those muscles to his advantage - if she got him working round and through himself, she could probably start getting a better "whoa" out of him without the double.
    Alrightey, I'm done my little speech.
    Ahh I agree with everything that has been stated in your posts...
         
        05-27-2008, 12:43 AM
      #9
    Yearling
    JDI is 100% correct on the duct tape issue. And I don't think this lady fully understands the use of the double bridle herself, let along be teaching its use. You need to understand how each of the bits works and how to use them individually. The brigadoon works on the horses poll, it really doesnt have much effect on the horses mouth. Get a soft thick rope and place it over Devons poll, and pull down (gently) on it. Notice how much he hates it. This is what he is feeling when you have a death grip on your curb rein.

    If you think horse is taking off when you soften your reins, you need to learn to ride thru your seat. If he wanted to take off, he would, no matter how hard you hold him, cos he's just stronger than you are. It might be that the more you are pulling on his mouth, the more unhappy he is becoming, and the more likely he is to try and run thru the bit. Just relax and soften your reins and see how he goes, it might be new to him and his just needs to get used to it.

    To get better turns you need to work on slowing him down, relaxing, and getting him to work thru his back. He is doing it because he isnt balanced and that's what you need to work on developing.

    I would recomend riding him in a snaffle and see how he does. Have instruction from a high level dressage rider on the use of the double bridle before attempting it again.
         
        05-27-2008, 08:27 AM
      #10
    Foal
    Your riding looks pretty good. But the thing you should work on is keeping your legs back a little bc when your cantering your legs are forward.
         

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