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        06-12-2011, 10:56 AM
      #1
    Foal
    Critique possible horses?

    I've been looking at horses lately and just want a little outsider's opinion on them. I'm going to want to eventually event, so I'm going to want to do a lot of jumping. But I also want a horse that will go trail riding as well. Experience showing or very well trained is a must for me as this will be my first horse.

    1. American Warmblood mare, 8 years old, 16.2 hands

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    2. Quarter Horse cross gelding, 7 years old, 16.0 hands.

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    3. Appendix QH, 11 years old, 16.2 hands.

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    (This guy seems to throw his head around a lot while being ridden. Any ideas on why?)

    Thanks in advance!
         
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        06-12-2011, 12:02 PM
      #2
    Green Broke
    Well the first mare is beautiful, though they have no good confo pictures. She sounds like a good horse for what you're looking for, so long as you're a confident rider. She looks really nice in the videos as well.

    The 2nd horse is my personal favorite as he's younger than the other two but by the sounds of it more level headed. He would be a great teacher & partner as well as a trail horse when you want some quiet. Again no good confo pics, but he looks nicely built with muscle.

    The 3rd horse sounds like he has more experiece than the other two, which is great if you're jumping right into it. If you have more time for training & growth together, it might be worth it to buy one of the others. He is nicely put together, though. Definitely has the high TB wither & neck.

    I don't see any issue with any of them but again, my personal fav is the 2nd horse. The biggest thing however is how you feel about each if & when you go to see them. You might click with one in particular and a good relationship is what you really want. If you don't have that you might as well just ride someone else's horse.
    Good luck with looking! ;)
         
        06-12-2011, 12:15 PM
      #3
    Green Broke
    Oh & the head tossing in the last video could be a sign of impatience, discomfort or he hasn't learned to hold his head properly. I notice they use a tiedown on him so it's probably an issue that hasn't been fixed.
    Maybe it's just me, but there's one point in the video where it cuts off right when he starts throwing his head a lot... sometimes people will edit out the bad stuff to make the horse look good.
    Personally, the others appear to jump just as well as him & they have alot more to watch in the first horse's video. She takes the cross country really quietly, which is nice to see.
    Same with the 2nd gelding, considering it's only his 4th time jumping in the video.
    Not sure how the 3rd would be for a trail horse though
         
        06-12-2011, 12:44 PM
      #4
    Foal
    The first mare seems like she was what you were looking for. She was out there doing all of the cross country jumps, and seemed to have no problems with them (except she did rush a few of them). She seemed like she was very comfortable jumping, and had a lot of experience with the cross country and show jumping jumps. This would probably make her good for trail riding as well.

    The second horse seems more suitable for hunters. Notice how he clocks around the ring with a long rein and low head. I do hunters, so this is just what I am noticing. For show jumping and cross country, you will want something that will be more speedy and is ready for tighter turns. It is nice that he is young though, and it is possible that he could learn the ropes for eventing.

    The third horse seems a little inexperienced to me. Yes he does toss his head, but I think that is because they are trying to get him to bend and tuck his head, and he gets frustrated and puts it back up. He just has a naturally high headset. He seems to jump fine, and would probably do fine in dressage (he is a flashy mover too). I don't know about how he would do on cross country, or on trails, because he seems to be a little high strung. He is already 11, so you wouldn't have as many years of eventing with him.

    I would go with the first horse, but it is completely up to you! Good luck finding your first horse!
         
        06-12-2011, 09:31 PM
      #5
    Started
    The first mare is cute and game. Decent mover, not a "10" but very nice overall and nice price tag for her experience. I like that she is so honest and obviously schools well XC. She tends to take a tighter spot but that can be better for eventing as long spots can cause a horse to not clear the obstacle and result in falls of rider and/or horse (just ask me about schooling my field hunter XC for the first time yest lol). She's clean, neat, talented, going in a simple snaffle of some sort, and has a good confirmation for power. She drives from behind most of the time and has a good level of engagement of the hind that makes me think she'd be a great mount to learn eventing and dressage on without a fuss. I like her a lot.

    The QH I immediately say pass on. He is short-strided, lacks power and engagement and is rather shallow behind. He's built and moves more on the fore, and he is on the lighter side (i prefer foundation QH over the more TBQHs you see today). He's okay all around, not bad but not good imo, and not worth the asking price. For half the price i'd consider it, but more than that isn't worth it based on confo and movement. You want to buy more than just temperament to event. You need good temperament along with athleticism and this horse just doesn't scream "athlete" to me.

    The third horse is lame. My guess is an ill-fitting saddle. Shoulders are tight and forelegs lack reach to the point that his front toes are dragging (look at how he kicks up dirt in FRONT of his front feet every stride). He is false framing with no connection from poll to hind and while his head is down, the motion ends at the withers. I'm going to say the saddle is too wide, sits on the spine causing the start of the unsoundness. It's also possibly pinching the shoulders (or the horse is clenching the shoulders because he's hurting in his back). Jumping you can see he trails in the hind and doesn't rock back on his haunches but rather lifts from the head and shoulder and jumps hollow because his back hurts. He has potential, but the heavy handed rider and poor saddle fit isn't helping him. I'd reconsider after a few chiro visits, a good massage, a month of longe work, and a month of trot sets to properly build muscle along topline and hind. Even the confo pics now show a weak topline and overmuscled fore and underdeveloped upper hindquaters with overdeveloped thigh and forearm muscles - all a dead giveway for back pain. Pass.

    Hope this helps!
         
        06-12-2011, 09:34 PM
      #6
    Started
    I also want to add that I agree with the above post that the QH is a very lovely hunter BTW! I didn't mean to make him sound bad and marketed as a hunter (which he is) I think he's a nice horse. I don't think he will do well eventing however.
         
        06-12-2011, 09:52 PM
      #7
    Trained
    I like the first one. Seems very level headed. Gets to the task and hand and goes to work. Best of the 3 by far.

    Second one isn't bad, but I like the first one much better.

    Third one. It's hard to tell. I don't know if the riders has inconsistent hands or the horse isn't trained to move into the contact, but it's all over the place. I think you would have to fix things before moving on with this horse.
         
        06-13-2011, 01:21 PM
      #8
    Weanling
    Horse number 3 is moving his head around a lot because it seems to me like the rider doesn't have very consistent hands. She seems to be riding on a fairly loose rein then hitting him in the mouth every once in a while.
    Out of the 3 my favorite is #1. Good luck in your horse shopping! Keep us updated!
         
        06-13-2011, 04:09 PM
      #9
    Weanling
    Totally agree about why #3 is throwing his head around. This rider had hands like I do, but I've also only been riding hunt seat for a couple of months and understand that my hands are a p.r.o.b.l.e.m. Lesson horse I ride has *exactly* the same response to *exactly* the same hand-issue as the horse in the video. It's hard to tell if there is an issue with the horse, because the issue with the rider is big enough to create problems all by itself.
         
        06-14-2011, 12:07 AM
      #10
    Foal
    Thanks for the great opinions! Before I posted this I really was sold on the first one, the mare. She seemed like a great horse. The last one I immediately felt some apprehension about and just wanted to have someone else clarify it. The second one I wasn't sure either.
    I'll have to talk to my trainer about the first one. Wish me luck!
         

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