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    10-04-2008, 06:15 PM
  #1
Zab
Yearling
Critique? :) Short film

It's the second time riding this pony (or maybe horse with your standards?) since I got her. She's not mine, I'm just borrowing her for a while.
I'm riding more academic riding/spanish ridingschool riding and I'm just a beginner. I've tried usual dressage for some 12 years but never figured it out.. :roll:

Anyhow, no matter the riding, the horse should collect and carry..right? :)

I'll let the film speak for itself.. Any tips an comments are welcome :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S2uNg8a90U
     
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    10-05-2008, 01:00 AM
  #2
Foal
Ok I'll start by saying, that she the more consistent the rider, the more consistent the horse. So basically you want to keep all of your aids simple and clear so she can understand them. Try not to get distracted and as your trotting turn your head back to the camera, if you want to have a chat, bring her back to walk and give her a break. That way she's not getting put off balance or confused by the shifting of your bodyweight. Make sense?

Keep your lower legs on her, she looks like she has little strides, so she was moving her legs lots, but she wasn't really going anywhere. Lower legs on to push her forwards-not your heels. Heel's go down and are there for our anchor and balance. When you move that to ask her to move, your disrupting your balance, therefore disrupting her balance. Make sence?

I'll leave ti at that for now! :)
     
    10-05-2008, 06:34 AM
  #3
Yearling
I was really distracted by the straps hanging down from the saddle and cringed at the thought of how that must feel against her belly when she trots/canters... your aids aren't basic enough for her to understand and they must not be very clear with them straps banging into her... I don't know if that's something she's used to, but if I'm trying to ride a horse with flatwork/dressage, I sure wouldn't want anything interfering with my aids.
I also thought the saddle looked too far forward for you and her to be comfortable enough. Does it fit you? I know that you're only borrowing her atm, but if the saddle doesnt fit you, it's going to inhibit you doing any real 'dressage' with her.
Try to be consistent with what you're doing... of course cos the video is edited, that's not something I can tell... but make sure you keep it clear, consistent and basic until you've both gotten to common ground with one another, and then move on with what you're training in.

I do wish you both the best :)
     
    10-05-2008, 01:06 PM
  #4
Zab
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeddah31
Ok I'll start by saying, that she the more consistent the rider, the more consistent the horse. So basically you want to keep all of your aids simple and clear so she can understand them. Try not to get distracted and as your trotting turn your head back to the camera, if you want to have a chat, bring her back to walk and give her a break. That way she's not getting put off balance or confused by the shifting of your bodyweight. Make sense?

Keep your lower legs on her, she looks like she has little strides, so she was moving her legs lots, but she wasn't really going anywhere. Lower legs on to push her forwards-not your heels. Heel's go down and are there for our anchor and balance. When you move that to ask her to move, your disrupting your balance, therefore disrupting her balance. Make sence?

I'll leave ti at that for now! :)
I'm not sure what you mean with consistent? :)
Did you notice more than one time when I turned to the camera? I know I did it once, but if you noticed it more times I'm probably trying to do something else :P Normally, I don't have a camera so turnng to it isn't really a problem. But if it's not the camera then it might be something else, that I do need to fix..

Oh, but she knows the aids put together (if that's what you mean by simple and basic? One aid at a time?) it's just me who's messed up:P the horse is well educated but rather stubborn..and when she notices I don't know what I'm doing, she doesn't care to listen much on a bad day. X)

Do you want me to put my heels down? Becuse if I got that right, I talked about it with my instructor; she's nagging on me to relax my legs and let the heel up (because I'm constantly putting it down too much, as if Im asking the horse to speed up). I'm not near her with my heels (except from that first clip when she bucked..because she either bucks or throws her head around and just gets pissed if I touch her with my heels. She's a very round pony so it's not easy to touch her with the heel. But my legs do flap around a lot in the trot.. I use my thighs to get her started but her movements make me bounce and makes my legs move.. again, because I'm not relaxed according to my instructor.
Do you want me to squeese her/have contact with my lower legs constantly or just to use them instead of my heels? :)

My balance really is horrible, so I know I'm messing hers up :P

Tried to work some today,mainly transisions walk - trot- canter walk - canter or walk - trot. Got a few good ones but mostly..well. I had to cancel a lot of them, and I know it's my own fault. XD I also worked on trotting on a round circle.. not easy with a horse that does shoulder out as soon as I sit an inch wrong, or starts to leg yield or something.. but we got better at least. X)
     
    10-05-2008, 04:03 PM
  #5
Zab
Yearling
Ok, this might be shorter than intended.. I wrote a really long post before but the site messed up.. :3

Ok, first.. the saddle is a spanish schoolsaddle, not an english or western one. Maybe that's decieving your eyes or something, because it fits the horse perfetly ad is the most comfortable and close contact saddle I've ever ridden, I absolutely love it! It's aso the first saddle I've tried that doesn't put my legs forward a whole lot, something I've struggled with my entire ridinglife. :3 The only thing wrong with it is that it could be a little higher at the back of the seat. I will, in a few months hopefully, get a saddle like this one, but that is higher in the back.
Oh, and the sadde is my own, but it's the same saddle the horse has been schooled in so se's used to the straps (it's the stirrup leathers). I've concidered just cutting them off, but they came to good use when training my own horse, Crow, to wear a saddle and allow that things touched him. He got very distracted and annoyed at them at first, but they don't hurt when they touch the sides; if they did he would have panicked since he is very sensetive. Kirran wouldn't panick, but she'd get very pissed and throw the rider into a tree or something if they hurt her. ;)

I'm not sure what you mean with basic? If you mean they're too advanced forher I must correct you; she's way more advanced than I am :P But if you mean that they're all fuzzy and not clear enough, you're right. I'm a really bad rider and I can't controle my body properly yet :P I am trying to keep it very basic.. I just want her to collect in her tree gaits (which I know she can do in a heartbeat if I give the right signals an doesn't disturb her), to flex her sides and walk/trot in a round circle. The leg yielding thing was just because she's soooo easy to move sideways, I couldn't help myself. X)
Today I just worked with transitions and to keep a large, round circle.. at least I see it as basic. :3

I'm way too unbalanced and I try to sit without disturbing her.. which I can't yet.. xD
Most of my problems is that the different instructors I've had the past 12 years havn't been very good for me. The only thing I learnt was to stay on a horse and to tense most of my body.. When I asked them what I should do, or why, they didn't come with any good answers.. I mostly heard ''shorten the reins!" or ''kick harder''. My last instructor told me straight out that I'm a ''hopeless case''... so I stopped to even want to learn. Then I met Renee, who's helping me now. And finally I see the joy in riding again.

I've started over from scratch. First I could move my leg when she told me to, but as she reminded me to not yield in the side (for example) I instantly forgot the leg.. now I can at least remember the different parts of my body and check it; feet, knees, hips, seatbones, waist, shoulders, arms, hands.. but I'm not confident in when everything is good yet. Like, when Kirran movs to the left, I rember to check if I've bent over to the side again, and straighten up, but if that's not the problem, I can't figure out what part of me that's wrong..this is so confusing..do I make any sense at all? XD

Wow.. this got really long afterall.. x)
And of course I had to edit the video, the other 20 minutes she just walked with her nose in the air and her hindquarters omewhere far behind her.. x)



Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmyitschelle
I was really distracted by the straps hanging down from the saddle and cringed at the thought of how that must feel against her belly when she trots/canters... your aids aren't basic enough for her to understand and they must not be very clear with them straps banging into her... I don't know if that's something she's used to, but if I'm trying to ride a horse with flatwork/dressage, I sure wouldn't want anything interfering with my aids.
I also thought the saddle looked too far forward for you and her to be comfortable enough. Does it fit you? I know that you're only borrowing her atm, but if the saddle doesnt fit you, it's going to inhibit you doing any real 'dressage' with her.
Try to be consistent with what you're doing... of course cos the video is edited, that's not something I can tell... but make sure you keep it clear, consistent and basic until you've both gotten to common ground with one another, and then move on with what you're training in.

I do wish you both the best :)
     
    10-05-2008, 04:06 PM
  #6
Zab
Yearling
Oh, and thanks for your input!
     
    10-05-2008, 04:21 PM
  #7
Showing
A very cute horse indeed! Very cute mover.

When is your horse coming back?
     
    10-05-2008, 04:33 PM
  #8
Zab
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by My2Geldings
A very cute horse indeed! Very cute mover.

When is your horse coming back?
Thanks :)

I don't know; when he has learnt enough. X) It'll take the time it takes :)
     
    10-05-2008, 09:52 PM
  #9
Foal
Consistent meaning she doesn't look set in one state of mind, her rhythm is always changing.

The thing is..even though you said she's a lot more advanced than you are, if you are not clear with your aids, she will not recieve them properly, therefore ignore them or do what SHE thinks you want her to do.
So when you say she's being stubborn, a lot of it is probably her not responding to your aids because of mixed messages she is getting from your unclear aids.
So when I say be clear/basic with your aids, I mean make the aids you give her easy for her to understand and clear for her to feel so she knows exactly what you mean.
Does this make a bit more sense?

When you ride-anyone rides- the aid to get your horse to move, is not to use your heel, its to use your lower leg.
Your heels should be pushed down all the time,
Your toes pointing forwards to the front of the horse,
Your lower leg sitting on the horses side all the time, but only being used when needed.

A horse is only as good as it's rider. Meaning, you could get on a well known olympian horse or grand prix dressage horse..but if your not balanced and your giving unclear aids (mixed messages) to the horse, it will not work like the grand prix horse it is, in a sense, the horses dumb down to match their rider.
(When I say you just there^, I mean anyone in general)

Does this make sence?
     
    10-05-2008, 11:05 PM
  #10
Zab
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeddah31
Consistent meaning she doesn't look set in one state of mind, her rhythm is always changing.

Ah, then I see. :)

The thing is..even though you said she's a lot more advanced than you are, if you are not clear with your aids, she will not recieve them properly, therefore ignore them or do what SHE thinks you want her to do.
So when you say she's being stubborn, a lot of it is probably her not responding to your aids because of mixed messages she is getting from your unclear aids.

I know, that's exactly what I meant too in all my replies; she knows but I don't. And I can't get it right yet :) With another rider, she's much better and I havn't meant that any of the flaws in the video or when we train is hers.
But she IS very stubborn, just ask her trainer ;)


So when I say be clear/basic with your aids, I mean make the aids you give her easy for her to understand and clear for her to feel so she knows exactly what you mean.
Does this make a bit more sense?

Then I understood you correctly from the start, but I think you misuderstood me :P i'm trying to make my aids clear, but frankly; I'm not skilled enough.

When you ride-anyone rides- the aid to get your horse to move, is not to use your heel, its to use your lower leg.
Your heels should be pushed down all the time,
Your toes pointing forwards to the front of the horse,
Your lower leg sitting on the horses side all the time, but only being used when needed.

My instructor doesn't agree with you here; she is working hard to make me relax my legs and let the heel up, because I'm too tensed and push my heels down too much.
I'm not using my heels on her at all; you would have noticed if I do because she usually kicks then ;) She's a very round pony, my heels doesn't reach her.
But there both I and the instructor agrees and we're working on it.


A horse is only as good as it's rider. Meaning, you could get on a well known olympian horse or grand prix dressage horse..but if your not balanced and your giving unclear aids (mixed messages) to the horse, it will not work like the grand prix horse it is, in a sense, the horses dumb down to match their rider.
(When I say you just there^, I mean anyone in general)

Does this make sence?
And that's exactly my point through my posts :P I must have been much more unclear in my writing here than I thought if you missed that :)
     

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