Critque our trot work? (dressage)

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  • Should hands cross over wither in dressage
  • Dressage trot work

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    09-15-2013, 10:43 PM
Critque our trot work? (dressage)

Looking for a thorough critique of our trot! I realized after putting it together I should've put some walk in, but I forgot. Our canter's not ready for a real critique. XP So just trot work.

I'm pretty aware of most of my issues, just curious of any and all opinions! The only thing I'm going to mention is that this vid is from a ride 3 weeks ago, so some things are better now. Of recent, we've been working on keeping my calf quiet and still against his side, and that's been going really well, but that's obviously not going to show in this arrangement.

Again, any comments are appreciated. I just love having other's peoples perspectives and observations-- helps me learn.
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    09-17-2013, 06:00 PM
You guys would really benefit from more energy. You and this beautiful horse are both about to fall over and go to sleep :) Things look good, you are a nice rider, it's time for some more contact, impulsion, electricity, and excitement.
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    09-21-2013, 02:56 AM
Relaxed and more quiet hands would be my first thing!! :) You guys look great!
    09-21-2013, 10:47 PM
Originally Posted by plomme    
You guys would really benefit from more energy. You and this beautiful horse are both about to fall over and go to sleep :) Things look good, you are a nice rider, it's time for some more contact, impulsion, electricity, and excitement.
Agreed. He's collected but not pushing into that contact. At times it looks like he gets a little heavy on the forehand & pulls you a tad. Seat looks good. Calves need to quiet down - but you've already mentioned that's getting better. Those hands though. This might just be the style I was taught but your hands need to open & wide. There's times where your hands are tapping each other they're so close. I feel like this closes you through the chest and limits your strength there.

When I ride my hands are straight out from where my elbows lie against my side, chest is open, core is strong. If I held my hands like yours my core would collapse & I would no longer be able to hold my horse through my body. And trust me. If I rode my mare like that, dear lord she would truck me around the arena worse than she already does >.>
    09-21-2013, 11:27 PM
No, the horse is not collected.

OP until you fix your equitation the horse will not go properly. Your reins are far too long, you are pulling to take up the slack and your body is behind the motion.

Once your reins are the correct length and your seat is in front of the motion, driving the hind legs forward then the horse will become round. Right now the contact is very dangly and the horse is consistently weighting his forehand. Only once the horse is in a good, forward rhythm, supple and having a good contact can you begin to truly advance in dressage. Follow the training scale.

ETA your hands are in a good position. Wide hands do not belong in a dressage ring or on a training horse. All they serve to do is restrict the horse and force him to become crooked. It is a nice way to say "pull on the face and kick", which as we all know is not correct - ride from back to front with quiet hands.
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    09-22-2013, 05:44 PM
How do I get my seat in front of the motion? Am I leaning too much behind? Or do I need to get him more forward to achieve this? (but I feel I am impeding him here even as I ask for more. The few times my coach hopped on, he just GOES, and it looks like she isn't doing particularly more, just sitting better)

Yes, the reins are a constant battle. I still can't keep my hands closed so the reins slide out... sigh.
    09-22-2013, 06:23 PM
Just wanted to correct my wide hands comment. I did not mean pull them out and away from the horse like chicken arms. I've always learned there should be a straight line from your elbow to the bit. Not super far and out past the shoulders, nor close together over the withers. I have not been riding Dressage for very long and know my knowledge can be quite limited on what's "correct" so I read through a couple different things online & all said the same thing. Hands should not cross over the withers. There should be a straight line from the elbow to the bit or snaffle rings.

From my standpoint OP your hands are at the correct position height wise, but the crossing of the withers & allowing them to smack together is not correct. There are times though where they're in a good spot, then you adjust or do something & they seem to clack together again. Not trying to start an argument here. Just trying to clarify my original post.
    09-22-2013, 08:50 PM
Hands touching is actually more correct than hands too wide and having the outside hand on top of the withers is a way to help control the shoulders.

About getting in front of the motion - can you drive the horse with your seat to make a quicker step? If not you are behind the motion. If you ask the horse to go do you fall back? Then you are behind the motion. Think about pedalling a bicycle and how active your body must be to get it up a hill - that is how your body position must feel
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    09-23-2013, 12:09 AM
Good to know about the hands... I tend to worry about it. My coach never really mentions them (except to ask me to quiet my hands by bringing my elbows to my sides or to do something to correct/support the horse) and since others usually tell me to widen them, never really sure where they're supposed to be, when at 'default.'

That is super imagery, wow. Thank you anebel!!!! It certainly never feels like that, except maybe at warm up during a lesson where my coach has me stretch the horse out and forward around the arena. Huh.

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