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    03-01-2013, 02:23 AM
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Tiny, iv learned from bad experience from riding yeah I know really listen to those gut feelings....

I really think it was cause it was pretty warm but stormy, not the usual weather...last couple days here have been wet and cold. Supposed to get warmer this weekend I think!
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    03-01-2013, 02:56 PM
Sorry if this will seem harsh/nit picking, but you asked for what the eye sees, and for me about proper use of equipment and figures.

First, I do like there is a lightly tensed line/steady connection, that the circle is relatively the same, and even the tempo is the consistent (albeit too fast). And I like the horse.

As to equipment: side reins are supposed to be attached approximately the height of the rider's knee (or a straight line from horse's mouth to horse's point of hip). They are NOT to enforce longitudinal flexion nor to close the throat latch, but rather to allow the horse to 'meet a steady connection' and offer a little even bend laterally. By doing so, if the horse is properly laterally flexed (a smidge on the circle) it will develop a connection with the outside rein (which straightens the horse and forms a basis for riding as well (horse up/open/lightly itv). Hence they are really only met for trot because in walk/canter the horse needs to bascule/telescope within the gait.

When side reins are attached by the elbows the mouth is torqued l/r as the moves, so it articially lowers and closes (the throat latch). But NOTE that the horse is flexing at the THIRD VERTEBRAE, which is incorrect. The horse will alway ground its forefeet where the nose points, if it is btv the horse will ground there.

There is a big difference between running forward and active. Remember SPEED is the ENEMY of IMPULSION. Yes, one can get longer strides by rushing the horse but the shoulders will drop because the hindquarters end up only pushing the load. First relaxation and swinging, then amplitude/length. Otherwise the hocks suffer. Likely when the s.r. Are set so low the handler HAS to chase the horse to keep it going, and what 'yields'? The middle of the neck.

Half halts should be employed while lunging to fold the hind legs/slow the horse's tempo (if needed) and to FOLD the hind leg joints so they articulate and carry with energy.

Ideally too the work would be with the line to a caveson. If it is over the top the hh should serve a purpose which is lowering/opening.
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    03-01-2013, 03:06 PM
Great post ^!
    03-02-2013, 02:04 AM
Looks like a 50 thousand dollar trot in the making, to me! But what the hell do I know?
    03-02-2013, 03:00 AM
But not how to progressively train a horse, too much pushed over tempo and w/o proper balance/bit acceptance being allowed.
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    03-03-2013, 08:01 PM
From what I see, it might be the same as other say, but I can't read it all.. I see that his trot is the same as any other horse when excited with the weather. He has not fully engaged his hindquarters and he is on his forehand.
The one sidereign use is not good, it really makes him bend outwards and as there is not equal pressure from both side, and its too low he is confused and keeps trying to escape but doesnt get comfortable anywhere.. I would loosen up the sidereign and put both on. He has a good trot that will build into something beautiful one day..
    03-04-2013, 10:49 AM
??He has two (low set) side reins on.?? Missed that...then the lungeline is being used on the inside to create leveraged bend (like an inside draw rein)? That is very harsh (on the inside bars) esp when set so low.

You do realize that s.r. Are not to be used for 'stretch' (since they do not allow the horse to like driving reins can do), right? S.r. Are to establish a steady connection with minimal longitudinal flexion (only the amount that comes from lateral flexibility). That means that s.r. Are also really only meant for work in trot (where there is no bascule ...which canter/walk does have).

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