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        09-06-2011, 03:15 PM
    Green Broke
    Elana it is perfectly possible to have a horse going forwards into a steady contact and still post to the trot. It is also perfectly possible to drive a horse forwards with your seat whilst rising to the trot. Infact If you can't keep your hands steady and give a contact whilst posting then you realy do need lessons.

    Infact at this stage I would reccomend AGAINST sitting the trot as the horse is unlikely to have the back muscles to support a sitting trot, let alone a sitting trot in an outline. There is a reason that you are allowed to rise to the trot untill elementary level in dressage (I believe that equates to 2nd level in the US)

    My youngster certainly won't be having me sitting his trot untill I have a correct and forwards outline built up and he already has a good topline and muscles and has been in disgustingly good health all his life. This mare has not been so fortunate in the past and is still recovering from that.
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        09-06-2011, 03:21 PM
    Green Broke
    I agree Faye, it is possible but not so much for this particular rider. Again.. I am suggesting to sit the trot in the turns to help her to drive the horse forward and then post out of the turns and release to help her move forward.

    In this case, the rising trot is not helping this horse with this particular rider.

    Nice horse she has become!
        09-06-2011, 03:47 PM
    Green Broke
    Rising may not be helping the horse but sitting certainly wont help that horses back at all.
    Infact the vast majority of normal riders become more unbalanced when sitting the trot which will upset the horse even more. It takes a lot of practice and skill to sit the trot properly, remain stable, not rely on your hands for balance and be effective at the same time.
        09-06-2011, 03:59 PM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by faye    
    Rising may not be helping the horse but sitting certainly wont help that horses back at all.
    Infact the vast majority of normal riders become more unbalanced when sitting the trot which will upset the horse even more. It takes a lot of practice and skill to sit the trot properly, remain stable, not rely on your hands for balance and be effective at the same time.
    True. I forget this (balancing with your hands). It has been years.. since I was that new to riding.

    Here in the US most western horses are trained with the rider sitting the trot. If you sit it correctly (as you point out).. it is not so much an issue. Correctly being the operative word (supple back,.follow the horse's motion, not slap the horse and so forth).

    It is funny.. I have not had a horse now in a few years yet I still dream sometimes of sitting a trotting horse and the feel of the horse's mouth on a light rein.. that touch. Wake up sad it is only a dream.
        09-06-2011, 07:51 PM
    Elana/Faye, thank you for the feedback.

    Unfortunately I agree that we aren't ready for the sit trot. Today, as she was standing tied and turned to look at something beside her, I saw the beginnings of a topline muscle along her back Yea! Been waiting a long time for the site of that little bulge.

    I have a feeling that I might become lazy with a sit trot too (besides lacking the skill to do it) and she would have to lug me around like deadweight. I agree that my balance is not there yet. We have been lunging with side reins and they have really helped. Not only with topline but her balance. Her feet were like dinner plates. But since I have been asking more from her during her riding, we have dropped off from it and don't do it so much. Maybe every third or fourth time we ride for about three minutes each direction.

    Unfortunately too, the foal did not make it. Long, sad story. She had him out in the dry lot and she had no milk. He lived three days. I had checked out her bloodlines, saw her on a video and when I went to see her, she was not the same horse. Previous owner led her out and said, "this is Bailey". She looked horrible (warts on her face, cut on her neck, ribs sticking out, bumps on her skin, cracked hooves and all) but I knew right then when I saw her that she was the one. I got her very cheap because she was in such bad shape. There was just something that I liked about her - ugliness and all. Can't explain it.
        09-06-2011, 09:43 PM
    Green Broke
    I am very sorry for her rough start and the loss of her foal.

    I am glad you got her. Like I said.. she is a NICE horse. If you get a chance you should take some lessons on an old campaigner to help you with your riding. I used to do that pretty often. It is easy to fall into bad habits.

    Sooo.. after riding a lot of young or spoiled horses or horses I rescued I would go to a stable and take a series of lessons. Sort of like going for a tune up for the car. It was a riding tune up and then when I went back to whatever I was bringing along I would notice better progress.

    Sometimes when you are going a lot of miles you need to stop and get new spark plugs and make sure the timing is on... just keeps things smooth!

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