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    09-21-2011, 01:27 PM
  #1
Foal
Dressage Paint

Hey Guys!
So this is m 7y/o (going on 2y/o) paint gelding. I've owned him since he was 5, his training has been kinda like a rollercoaster but its been on the upward spiral the past month or so
Please rip both him and myself apart!!!


     
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    09-21-2011, 01:56 PM
  #2
Banned
Nice for a beginning BUT dressage is not " ride a quietly as possible and not make ripples".

All your gaits are too slow and too short.
     
    09-21-2011, 02:01 PM
  #3
Foal
Oh I know Spyder he is very fussy and gets very uptight easily, right now we are working on relaxing. He has two speeds which are uptight freight train or the speed in the video :) He's a work in progress. Any other critiques?
     
    09-21-2011, 02:07 PM
  #4
Weanling
I'm no expert but to me it looks like in the first video you are riding around looking down at his ears. Pick your chin up a little and look forward. I do this alot and notice that when I do think about it, looking up and more forward brings my shoulders back and allows me to sit back more.

He's a nice looking horse!
     
    09-21-2011, 03:14 PM
  #5
Yearling
The more you push them out they more relaxed they get. You also look like you have a very off on off on contact, it needs to be steady steady steady which helps promote relaxation from the horse and your left arm tends to chicken out instead of staying at your side
     
    09-21-2011, 03:48 PM
  #6
Trained
I think you're making progress with getting him relaxed, but do you really need a flash(crossed) noseband to keep his mouth closed? I'm not sure that he's really on the bit, since he does fuss a little. Regarding your hands, experiment with planting your knuckles in front on the pommel on his neck after you ask for a trot, and see if he stays quiet on the bit. This will keep you from hitting him in the mouth, IF that is what is happening. You seem have a nice seat. I say this a LOT, but work without stirrups will give you a nice, weighted, deep seat. Dressage is an art, but it is ALSO a means to an end. If possible, work him without jumping poles and any other parphenalia in your ring, unless you are using them to get your horse to pick up his feet. I prefer to have an empty work area. I like to be able to mix up the schooling, add a half pass here or there, or take my horse into a corner and do a haunches in or back into a corner and do a forehand in there. Hope this helps, and keep working on it!
     
    09-22-2011, 09:29 AM
  #7
Yearling
Hi there.
I do not normally comment or critique. So here goes it.

I would like to say I agree with Spyder and with Foxy.

Not knowing a ton of this horses history or your history I can only comment on what I see in the video.
While I like that your seat is quiet it seems from the video your riding mostly from your hand and not your seat and core. You have lovely long legs! Use your leg seat and core more than your hand! Your horse is nice and quiet but he is really not active behind! Forward forwwar forward for this guy. Push him up into your contact! If you are uncertain on how to acheive this I suggest taking regula lessons or having your horse in full or partial training. As foxy stated the contact is lost sometimes.
We all have to learn how to use our bodies while riding. I like the comment about having your eyes up and shoulder open and back. I think many people do this (looking down)when schooling I even catch my self doing it when I am concentrating. But the reality for me is when my eyes and chin are up my shoulders stay straight and open. I am also able to keep my body and the horse much straighter. And, it is sooo much easier to use my core strength to help my horse.
When the contact is lost I think of it as the horses support being lost. Steady contact! Your horse needs your support and direction. If you do not know how to support the horse properly when he or you falls apart then again I suggest working with a qualified trainer if your not already

One thing I noticed with the trot to canter transition is the contact is totally lost. The horse throws his head into the canter. More training and correct contact in the trot will improve the trot to canter depart.
It seems the horse needs to gain some strength and balance.

Do you have a trainer? It is important to work with a trainer! They will help guide you through all the things that need to be worked on. If you cannot afford full or partial training it is very very important to take a lesson a week at the very least.
After all that I feel your moving in the right direction. Progressing with your horse is so much fun! Remember to keep it all fun and take things as they come. We all have things to learn and improve upon. Your horse seems like a nice horse to get going and I wish you all the best!
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    09-22-2011, 10:35 AM
  #8
Super Moderator
You have him teetering on the edge of being behind your leg and out of the bridle (seen when head goes up or roots down) and being forward enough to go into the bridle and carry himself.

You don't need to speed him up, at all. You need to ENERGIZE him and send him forward into the bridle. Since he is still learning to balance himself speeding him up will make it harder for him to balance. Sending him forward, not speeding him up, will help. It is like putting your foot on the gas pedal when the car is in neutral. Revving the engine does not make the car go faster.

Every time the horse puts his head up, he has backed out of the bridle. Use your leg and send him forward again. At the canter, the horse still needs balance, especially on the left lead. He needs to be much more forward BUT not faster. Leg to send him forward, half halt to keep him from speeding up. Leg and half halt every other stride at canter to bring him forward, energize, and still allow him to start engaging his haunch. Start with big circles and spiral in energizing as he spirals in.

I, personally, really like this horse and see his potential. While he does seem to paddle slightly with his left front, it is minimal and will not limit him here, IMO. Keep up the good work. You have done pretty well getting him working with you, now add some energy that will help him progress.

I hope this helps.
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    09-22-2011, 08:57 PM
  #9
Trained
In the first video, I do see bits and pieces that suggest the beginnings of it all starting to click for both of you. Like others said, he starts to reach for the contact only to suck back behind your leg again. I also see you trying to keep your arms still, but fussing with your hands to coax him into suppling into the contact. I would suggest relaxing your elbows and think of the contact as reaching from his mouth all the way up your arms to your shoulders instead of just your hands. Start playing with his gears within the trot, using lots of half halts to adjust his tempo until you've got a slightly more active trot. Wake him up, but not to point of him losing his balance. He can do it. It's definitely in there. You just have to find that next gear. Good luck!
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    09-23-2011, 07:11 PM
  #10
Weanling
Halfpass and Allison pretty much covered it. But I just wanted to add. When you go to ask for the canter, sit and as with your seat. In the vid you tipped forward, planted your hands and lost all connection. Sit back, push the canter with your seat, keeping your hands up off his shoulders and support him through the canter. I know it's hard with a horse that is still learning to give to the bit (I'm right there with you), but a lower hand doesn't equal correct carriage. Though it may give you a lower headset. I think you're starting to get it, you just need to add the energy so transitions are smooth and he's really working from behind.
     

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