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post #1 of 34 Old 08-18-2008, 11:30 PM Thread Starter
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Extended trot...

I've been reading a book called "Tug Of War: Classical Versus Modern Dressage" and it's really changed how I think about Dressage.
In your opinion, which is the better extended trot, and why? Add critiques of all the candidates if you'd like.
I'll see a few replies then add my 2 cents.. :)

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post #2 of 34 Old 08-18-2008, 11:35 PM
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woah, in that 3rd pic all four hooves are off the ground! Lol
Um I would pick the first pic as the best extended trot. It just seems to be using its hindquarters more and has more reach. :)
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I can only compare the first two, since they are in the same point of stride (grounded), while the third is in the suspension phase.

Between the first two, I like the first one a lot better. The horse (who is very young, if I'm not mistaken) has a very up and open frame. He has great forward movement, with a semi-dropped haunch (considering the reach), raised back, long, stretched neck, open throat latch, and proper vertical position.

The second horse, on the other hand, is moving more up than out, with more action than the first horse. It also seems as if he's on the verge of hollowing. His throat latch is closed, and his face is pulled in. The rider's hands and his mouth, are disconnected, which may have played a role in his false frame.

I'm interested to hear your input, JustDressageIt. I've never read that book, but now I may have to!
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I would say that the first one is the best extended trot. It is realy engaging the hindquarters and really reaching with those front legs. The extended trot is defined as a clear increase in speed and length of gait, but speed is not to be excessive, this best suits #1 in the pictures. I think #3 looks like it is about ready to break stride or is being pushed to its limit on the extended trot.

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I don't like any of them.

The first one along with the other two have the same fault of the leg being extended beyong the verticle ( head position) with is actually incorrect according to the description in the FEI rulebook.

The first one is also not even in the angle of the lifting hind leg and the lifting front leg ( the diagonal). The second one is better but because the foot in not fully extended and in fact may be on the way down it becomes difficult to judge.

The third one is also beyound the vertical but this horse is BEHIND the verticle so if the head were in the correct place it may in fact be the most correct. The rider is pulling the head behind the verticle point to where the front leg will land and if I took a little liberty at adjusting where the head would go if the rider did not have such a stranglehold on the reins I believe the leg would land correctly and the diagonal angle is already pretty even and much better than the first two.

So I pick the third one with reservations and only if the rider could be perceived without the rein stranglehold.
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In the first pic the angle under the chin has opened up a little, could probably open up more to be more text book perfect, the two grounded legs are matched and once in the same position as the third pic will probably match the front and hind leg action. So I would probably choose this one as the best, just at a different time.

The second pic the horse hasn't opened its noses out enough and hence the foreleg movement probably won't match the hind leg movement when it is in the same position as the third pic. Too much front, not enough back. Its face and neck seem rather held back.

The third pic the legs all match but the nose is still a little behind the vertical, they could definitely come forward there but nicely matched front and hind.
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At first glance I'm tempted to say the 3rd, because the horse just looks to have more freedom of movement. But now I'm looking at the 1st, which when I first looked at it just appeared blocked to me, but the horse is very engaged behind, has a lot of reach, and is the ONLY one in a snaffle. That counts for quite a bit to me ;)

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I don't know anything about dressage, but when I watched it on the olympics, my fav mores were the extended trot and flying change. I just love the extended trot, it looks like they are floating. And their legs just pop out there...so beautiful!
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I like the 1st one bc the horse looks animated.
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post #10 of 34 Old 08-19-2008, 11:03 PM Thread Starter
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Okay, here's my answer:

The third horse has the best extended trot.

Why?
The first two horses' legs have stopped moving at the same tempo, the stride has been broken; look at the angles of the front and back legs (as I've marked with red lines.) These lines should be parallel.



Modern dressage has got people so focused on the "showy-ness" of a trot (the toe-flick, big movement) that they've forgotten what a good mover looks like.

Please do go read "Tug Of War; Classical Versus Modern Dressage" - it has made me really think about my training techniques.


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