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    08-05-2012, 02:15 AM
  #1
Weanling
Flat critique for horse & rider

I did not intend to post anything for critique, though I have been critiquing others and thought I would post just for the fun of it. The horse is not mine, is 3 yrs old (off the track but not raced). I starting training him in May of this year; he is a super smart little guy and a very quick learner.

Recently, we have been working on accepting the bridle and moving forward. We also need work on our transitions... in terms of keeping in frame and not falling apart (especially in downward transitions). Also, I know we need to work on keeping impulsion in our turns/corners. I pretty much know what we still need to work on, but am interested to hear other's feedback regardless. Please critique both horse and rider, but please keep in mind his age in doing so.

These videos are a few weeks old, meaning that the gap in time has left room for him to have improved. These videos do not show his best, but portray a good idea of where he is in his training. We are also working on being able to go from a canter to a nice trot instead of getting excited and anticipating another canter cue again!

Trot #1-

Trot #2-

Canter #1 (in this video he shows as better on the left than the right; he has improved on that since)-
     
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    08-05-2012, 04:56 AM
  #2
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In the first video you are behind the movement and not balanced, you lower leg is too far forward. You need to bring your leg back, then your body will be more balanced and this will allow your hands to be independant and you can carry them more, until you get that basic right the horse will not be able to come into a correct contact. Nice horse who is moving freely.
     
    08-05-2012, 05:25 AM
  #3
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Clava    
In the first video you are behind the movement and not balanced, you lower leg is too far forward. You need to bring your leg back, then your body will be more balanced and this will allow your hands to be independant and you can carry them more, until you get that basic right the horse will not be able to come into a correct contact. Nice horse who is moving freely.
Thank you for the feedback. That is one issue I have been having....
I had access to a dressage saddle at the beginning, which allowed for the proper shoulder/hip/heel alignment, but now I only have a jumping saddle that fits him, and the way the front of the saddle is (worn) does not allow for me to keep that same perfect alignment. I noticed the "very slightly pre-chairseat" feeling the first ride in the new saddle.

Can you please elaborate on: "this will allow your hands to be independant and you can carry them more"?
     
    08-05-2012, 05:32 AM
  #4
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Originally Posted by LostDragonflyWings    
Thank you for the feedback. That is one issue I have been having....
I had access to a dressage saddle at the beginning, which allowed for the proper shoulder/hip/heel alignment, but now I only have a jumping saddle that fits him, and the way the front of the saddle is (worn) does not allow for me to keep that same perfect alignment. I noticed the "very slightly pre-chairseat" feeling the first ride in the new saddle.

Can you please elaborate on: "this will allow your hands to be independant and you can carry them more"?

Sure because you are not balanced (rising from behind your leg) your hands cannot be completely still or carried and more forward. Your hands are good and light but without your body being balanced the forces are always fighting. I think even in that saddle you should be able to bring your leg back a bit (try not to fit your leg to the saddle but ignore it's shape). I think english riding in the US is different to english riding in the UK, but here we try and carry our hands and ride more into a contact allowing the horse to seek the bit. Hope that helps.

Your canter is very different from what would be expected over here so I haven't commented, the low head carriage and short lopey strides are not what I'd expect a canter to be. We work on being more forward and head carriage more up and out on the neck with the head vertical, but I don't think you are aiming at that

(I also have to remind myself to carry my hands - my avatar shows this, my reins should be shorter and my hands more carried to allow more space between them and me, my horse is behind the vertical)
     
    08-05-2012, 05:57 AM
  #5
Weanling
Thanks for the elaboration.

Not to sound argumentative, but I checked older videos of me riding in my jumping saddle (not the saddle in the video), and I was able to have a much better alignment. This saddle (in the video) keeps your leg more forward, unfortunately. I will have to see what I can do next ride... without starting to flop around too badly.

Here is a video from around the time when I first started working with him (same saddle).-- Please DON'T critique the horse/rider in this particular video as it is old..... but you may use it to compare progress and/or things still needing work.

     
    08-05-2012, 06:04 AM
  #6
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A huge improvement - well done
     
    08-05-2012, 06:09 AM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Clava    
A huge improvement - well done
Thanks! He has been a fun project.
It's hard to believe his age, as he behaves better than my 14 yr old TB!
     
    08-05-2012, 01:13 PM
  #8
Weanling
Unfortunately my internet is very slow and I was only able to watch portions of the videos, so I can only critique the bits I saw.

As was already stated, your leg needs to be back a little more. I completely understand the saddle thing; that's what my own saddle does and it's absolutely horrible and impossible to ride in but I just try to work around it as absolutely nothing fits my mare... You could also have a bit more bend in your elbow in some spots. You look like you have a very long torso so I understand where that would be difficult, but relaxing through your arm a little more would help you flow better with the horse. You also looked like you got bounced around a little at the trot so try holding the "down" part of your post a hair longer.

Overall, very nice job. You've made a lot of progress and he moves quite nicely. LOVE the name by the way! :)
     
    08-05-2012, 04:11 PM
  #9
Weanling
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Originally Posted by hflmusicislife    
Unfortunately my internet is very slow and I was only able to watch portions of the videos, so I can only critique the bits I saw.

As was already stated, your leg needs to be back a little more. I completely understand the saddle thing; that's what my own saddle does and it's absolutely horrible and impossible to ride in but I just try to work around it as absolutely nothing fits my mare... You could also have a bit more bend in your elbow in some spots. You look like you have a very long torso so I understand where that would be difficult, but relaxing through your arm a little more would help you flow better with the horse. You also looked like you got bounced around a little at the trot so try holding the "down" part of your post a hair longer.

Overall, very nice job. You've made a lot of progress and he moves quite nicely. LOVE the name by the way! :)
Thanks!
In regards to the bouncing around, is that in all of the videos or were you looking at a particular video (trying to see what you are seeing)?
     
    08-05-2012, 06:15 PM
  #10
Weanling
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Originally Posted by LostDragonflyWings    
Thanks!
In regards to the bouncing around, is that in all of the videos or were you looking at a particular video (trying to see what you are seeing)?
Both the trotting videos (in the first minute or so anyway.) I guess bouncing isn't the best word, but when you sit your post you look like you pop up a tiny bit before rising to post. It may just be the way the horse moves though that sort of lifts you off the saddle a little. Just try to sit a little heavier. I do the same thing when I ride anything with a big stride since I'm used to riding small greens haha.
     

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