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post #11 of 24 Old 08-05-2012, 06:31 PM
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Is your goal jumping, dressage, or something else? Not all English riding desires shoulder / hip / heel alignment.

I took this picture from a book by George Morris to show I'm not crazy when I say that. He complimented the lady in this picture:


... Energy is an admirable thing, but the energy of stupidity seldom avails much..." - On Seats and Saddles (1868), Francis Dwyer, Major of Hussars (light cavalry)
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post #12 of 24 Old 08-05-2012, 06:41 PM Thread Starter
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Both the trotting videos (in the first minute or so anyway.) I guess bouncing isn't the best word, but when you sit your post you look like you pop up a tiny bit before rising to post. It may just be the way the horse moves though that sort of lifts you off the saddle a little. Just try to sit a little heavier. I do the same thing when I ride anything with a big stride since I'm used to riding small greens haha.
Okay. I am trying to see what you are saying and I think I see it, though agree it might be how the horse moves. Will have to check that out! Thanks.
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Is your goal jumping, dressage, or something else? Not all English riding desires shoulder / hip / heel alignment.

I took this picture from a book by George Morris to show I'm not crazy when I say that. He complimented the lady in this picture:

I do eventing, but this little guy isn't mine and is for sale as a hunter or dressage prospect. I used to ride hunters, but have been in training for eventing for a little over a year.
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post #14 of 24 Old 08-08-2012, 03:14 AM Thread Starter
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post #15 of 24 Old 08-08-2012, 03:30 AM
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Wow. I disagree pretty strongly with the critiques give so far. I think you did splendidly. This is a young horse with a big trot and a lot of forward. He isn't going to be super balanced or collected and you aren't working o that. He will have a lot of "bounce" and that means you will, too.
I thought your posting was in very good synch with the energy, lift and rythm of the hrose. Yes, the forward seat saddle had your leg a tiny, and I mean tiny, but too forward. But, you were light and had a very sympathetic seat for a green hrose.

Especially noteworthy was the wonderful quietness of you hand. Look at it. Really look at it. It never bobbles but rather gives the horse a steady and neutral contact. You let the young horse have a lot of head but he was connected.

Your canter was rock solid from waist down, again , steady hands from what I could see.

Other than seeing you "piano hands" it from time to time, I could not think of one critisism for that ride on that horse and for those purposes.

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post #16 of 24 Old 08-08-2012, 04:11 AM
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You guys look very nice and seem like a great team! I think when you're posting, I'd like to see you more open when you rise and then close back when you sit. When you post, your hip angle should be opening. What I mean by that is when you rise, do it like your height's being measure, you want you upper body to be straight. Another thing is, try to quiet your hips a bit at the canter. But I think that's it. I really like the horse you're riding and I like your position as well!
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Wow. I disagree pretty strongly with the critiques give so far. I think you did splendidly. This is a young horse with a big trot and a lot of forward. He isn't going to be super balanced or collected and you aren't working o that. He will have a lot of "bounce" and that means you will, too.
I thought your posting was in very good synch with the energy, lift and rythm of the hrose. Yes, the forward seat saddle had your leg a tiny, and I mean tiny, but too forward. But, you were light and had a very sympathetic seat for a green hrose.

Especially noteworthy was the wonderful quietness of you hand. Look at it. Really look at it. It never bobbles but rather gives the horse a steady and neutral contact. You let the young horse have a lot of head but he was connected.

Your canter was rock solid from waist down, again , steady hands from what I could see.

Other than seeing you "piano hands" it from time to time, I could not think of one critisism for that ride on that horse and for those purposes.

WELL DONE!
Oh, wow. Thank you very much!
Yes, his trot initially took some getting used too! My own horse's gaits are extremely smooth and easy to ride, and other than our pony and my trainer's horse twice, I hadn't ridden a different horse in years. I am really enjoying working with this guy, as not only have I been able to teach him things and see him grow, but I have bettered my riding in the meantime.

Like I mentioned prior, this guy is for sale, but I can not wait until I can afford to buy another horse for myself and work with him/her like I have with this guy. I am a progress junkie and it's so much fun! ;)
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You guys look very nice and seem like a great team! I think when you're posting, I'd like to see you more open when you rise and then close back when you sit. When you post, your hip angle should be opening. What I mean by that is when you rise, do it like your height's being measure, you want you upper body to be straight. Another thing is, try to quiet your hips a bit at the canter. But I think that's it. I really like the horse you're riding and I like your position as well!
Thanks for the feedback!
I try not to be too restrictive with my seat, especially at the canter, as he is young and I want to encourage him to move forward and stretch.
Thanks again!
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Is your goal jumping, dressage, or something else? Not all English riding desires shoulder / hip / heel alignment.

I took this picture from a book by George Morris to show I'm not crazy when I say that. He complimented the lady in this picture:

But this clearly shows the heel and shoulder alinement which is crucial. The OP has her heel forward of her shoulder and that is making her out of balance with the horse and stopping independant seat and hands, but the horse has improved no end so I'm sure with some tweaking of her position it will continue to do so :)
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I actually do have to question a little the fact of my legs being a very slight tad too forward being an issue, in these videos, in terms of my balance affecting the horse. When he lifts his head back up that's a mixture of me not pushing him forward enough with my legs and my hands not perfectly holding the contact when his head goes down (not talking about my hand steadiness, but my contact/softening), not my body throwing him off. He has had some stellar days where we have been able to keep a nice frame for just about the entire ride and keep pushing from the behind fairly well... all times using the same saddle, and therefore same leg position. In fact, the day before these videos was one of those days.

While I do agree that being aligned is ideal, like I said, I do have to question on that factor.

I could maybe see where if I heavily used my stirrups there would be an issues of my legs being too forward causing me to fall back into the saddle, but I don't rely on them that heavily. As the videos show, I do keep weight in my stirrups, but it's mainly leg and seat doing the work.
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