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        02-21-2014, 01:51 PM
      #1
    Weanling
    Give me 3 things...

    Sadie and I are planning on showing this June in an English pleasure walk/trot class. The videos on my youtube were taken in July of 2012 I think, so a while ago. (This was the same summer she was started. Only 3 months prior to this video, we started her from the ground.)

    We have come pretty far since then, however, due to health issues, I haven't been on her since this past July. I have a feeling the videos will be a pretty accurate display of where we will be when we start back up.



    I would mainly like a few people to point out the top 3 things they would work on, FIRST. Prior to showing in June. Then anything that we should be working on longer-term will certainly be welcome also.

    I would be happy to post videos here of our progress as we start training.

    Thanks!
         
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        02-21-2014, 02:21 PM
      #2
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    1. Raise your hands and put them a bit closer together

    2. Shorten your stirrups one hole

    3. Focus on giving her a more supportive outside rein
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        02-21-2014, 02:40 PM
      #3
    Weanling
    I would work on your legs, bringing it slightly back from the hip and underneath yourself. In turn you wont have to work so hard to post, and it will steady your lower leg. You drop your shoulder to the inside. Work on keeping them square. And have fun!
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        02-21-2014, 02:48 PM
      #4
    Foal
    1. I would work on bending her whole body. It looks like towards the right, she's turning her head towards the inside but her body is not bending. And towards the left, it looks like she's turning with her head but her shoulders are drifting, so close the outside rein to keep her shoulders on track.

    2. Bring your hand closer to together.

    3. The transitions are pretty messy, I'd work on sharper, crisp down and up transitions, right now it's taking quite a few strides to fall into each gait.
         
        02-21-2014, 02:54 PM
      #5
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    1. Raise your hands and put them a bit closer together

    2. Shorten your stirrups one hole

    3. Focus on giving her a more supportive outside rein
    1. Hands have always been hard for me. About how far apart should they be?

    2. I had just graduated to longer stirrups in this video. I will start our training off with shorter ones. Thank you!

    3. The outside rein is hard also, because she doesn't respond to it like most other horses. Maybe because she was used to pulling a sulky... but I get in the position where I feel like I am yanking on her mouth too much because she is still trying to go through the pressure of the rein.

    Thank you for your suggestions! I can definitely see where I need to work on all 3 of these!
         
        02-21-2014, 02:56 PM
      #6
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by sparks879    
    I would work on your legs, bringing it slightly back from the hip and underneath yourself. In turn you wont have to work so hard to post, and it will steady your lower leg. You drop your shoulder to the inside. Work on keeping them square. And have fun!

    Thank you! It is much easier when I let her motion kind of bump me out of the saddle, rather than making an effort to "stand" in my stirrups. We have our moments when we "flow" nicely, and then moments when I am working much harder than she is. I can feel it when I am working too hard- so I will try to get that smooth easy feeling more. It will probably come easier if my legs are more under me.
         
        02-21-2014, 03:00 PM
      #7
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by SaraM    
    1. I would work on bending her whole body. It looks like towards the right, she's turning her head towards the inside but her body is not bending. And towards the left, it looks like she's turning with her head but her shoulders are drifting, so close the outside rein to keep her shoulders on track.

    2. Bring your hand closer to together.

    3. The transitions are pretty messy, I'd work on sharper, crisp down and up transitions, right now it's taking quite a few strides to fall into each gait.
    1. She is super bendy... good news is that shoulder-in will be easy for her when we get there!

    2. See above comment of Tiny's post about hands. They're tough for me. If you have any suggestions on how/ where to keep them that would be awesome!

    3. Her downward transitions are terrible, even on the longe line. There are always a few steps that are weird and wonky- not walk, or trot. Any suggestions on how to work on that? I think that might come from her pacing history. Sometimes when she is tired she will go into a pace. I think it's easier for her to do.

    Thank you for your suggestions!
         
        02-21-2014, 03:14 PM
      #8
    Foal
    I agree on your leg position... bring your legs a little farther under you and try to grip a little more with your lower leg rather than your knees. It will help you maintain your position and reduce the little kick motion I Saw During Some of your posting. Your hands need to be a little closer. Try imagining them connected and in a small box. You only have a few inches to move either way and they need to stay together even when you move to the right or left. I saw you at least once push both out to take up more rein rather than a quick rein shortening. Lastly? Hmm I thought I saw a bit of lean but it could have been a dropped shoulder as sparks879 mentioned. Doing small obstacle work requiring multiple direction changes such as serpentines, figure 8s, Cloverleafs etc help immensely with leaning and balance. And it's easy to check if you're dropping you're shoulder around a cone too! Good luck! You have a lot going for you and you'll do great at your show in June :)
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        02-21-2014, 03:32 PM
      #9
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Ashkat128    
    I agree on your leg position... bring your legs a little farther under you and try to grip a little more with your lower leg rather than your knees. It will help you maintain your position and reduce the little kick motion I Saw During Some of your posting. Your hands need to be a little closer. Try imagining them connected and in a small box. You only have a few inches to move either way and they need to stay together even when you move to the right or left. I saw you at least once push both out to take up more rein rather than a quick rein shortening. Lastly? Hmm I thought I saw a bit of lean but it could have been a dropped shoulder as sparks879 mentioned. Doing small obstacle work requiring multiple direction changes such as serpentines, figure 8s, Cloverleafs etc help immensely with leaning and balance. And it's easy to check if you're dropping you're shoulder around a cone too! Good luck! You have a lot going for you and you'll do great at your show in June :)
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    Thank you! I definitely agree that serpentines will help, both her and I with balance. When she is well balanced, she is a beautiful mover. What I tend to do (where I think you are seeing me drop my shoulder or lean) is when she falls in or out, I fall the opposite way trying to compinsate for it, when I should be using the in or outside reins to correct her and get her balanced again, while staying centered and balanced myself... I really need to train myself to stay centered above her spine all the time. It tough when you're working alone, and I don't notice the small things as often as someone else would notice if they were watching me ride.
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        02-21-2014, 08:46 PM
      #10
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    You never grip, with any part of your leg, lower or upper.

    Having your stirrup longer does not mean that your leg will be longer, and that you'll post better. On the contrary, it often makes a person end up with the heel coming up , the toe going down and the person losing the entire lower leg and posting off of the knee. It's a very weak position.

    There is an excellent article in last months Ecclectic Horseman magazine, by Wendy Murdoch, about the importance of "heel down" and what is really meant by that. It is all about getting the body weight to flow down and out the heel, not to push against the stirrup. The angle should be about 92 degrees as measured behing the knee (the angle of the upper to the lower leg). That right angle can be incorrectly placed too far forward, or correctly placed under the riders body, but, making the stirrups so long that the angle is much more open does not make a correct position.
         

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