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post #21 of 25 Old 01-25-2014, 02:25 PM Thread Starter
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No, I have not yet tried a double jointed snaffle but it is on the top of my list to try. I've been emailing back and forth with the new instructor too and that was the first thing she suggested. She said she may have one for me to borrow in a 5.5". Unfortunately I will have to wait until I start lessons and I wasn't planning on starting lessons again until April. (I'm too impatient to wait that long! lol)

So far all of you have been super helpful, giving me good critique and info to work with without the nasty undertone. I appreciate it greatly! <3

And yes, the "chicken wings" (or flapping elbows) and the driving with my shoulders are habits my instructor is always trying to break me of. It's terrible I know! It gets worse when I take some time away from lessons and ride on my own for a while. I'm sure I'm horrendous now as I haven't taken a lesson in months! I really need that person standing in the middle of the arena reminding me of all the things I should already know!

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post #22 of 25 Old 01-25-2014, 02:41 PM
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FWIW: Nutcrackers and snaffles.

"When tension was applied to the reins, the mouthpiece pressed more deeply into the tongue, thereby causing the joint to move away from the palate. Single-jointed bits are usually described as having a nutcracker-like action, the implication being that when tension is applied to the reins, the angle between the arms of the mouthpiece closes and the joint is pushed toward the palate. In our study, any nutcracker effect that tended to push the joint toward the palate was more than offset by indentation of the tongue."

- Bitting: The Inside Story by Hilary M. Clayton, BVMS, PHD, MRCVS


A shanked bit with a single joint can hit the palate (there is a picture in the pdf in my previous post). If the horse has a low palate, it might with a snaffle as well. However, when Mia bolted, she always stuck her nose out, so the pull on a snaffle would tend to bend it parallel to her mouth, not up and into the palate.

But each horse has their own mouth, so trying different mouthpieces can make a big difference. Mia generally prefers a single joint to a double joint, but all the double joint snaffles I've tried with her have fat mouthpieces. I'm hoping to ride her this afternoon in a double joint snaffle with a small diameter mouthpiece...I'll see how she responds. Lots of people have horses who hate single joint snaffles, but love a double joint.
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post #23 of 25 Old 01-25-2014, 03:24 PM Thread Starter
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Good reads bsms! I love the radiographs! I'm trying to decide what might be upsetting my horse in this D ring as opposed to the kimberwick. Both bits are single jointed, but the kimberwick has straight bars. You would think that would have more of a nutcracker effect on the bars and be more likely to hit the palate than a curved mouth piece, which is what the D has. It also appears, via these radiographs that a more mobile mouth piece gives the horse more of an opportunity to shift the bit away from more painful areas. The kimberwick is very fixed in its position, while the D should be more mobile. Maybe she's just not used to the instability and would actually like a D, egg butt or loose ring if given the chance to get used to it. I also always followed the one or two wrinkles rule and never left the bit hang looser to allow the horse to carry it the way she thinks it's comfortable. Maybe that is worth a try! Our problem could also lie in the thinness of our D ring. It is significantly thinner than the Kimberwick and my horse may just prefer a thicker mouthpiece.

Gah! I just keep talking myself in circles! I really just need to get out there and experiment, but first all the snow and ice in the arena needs to melt!

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post #24 of 25 Old 01-25-2014, 05:10 PM
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Couple of things.....hands and bit. OK, hands, they are in your lap and arms not elastic....lots of tension there coming from somewhere else in your body. But it can be fixed!

Bit....try a double jointed mouth snaffle, they break back better in the horse's mouth than the peak caused by a single joint.

And to add....spurs are NOT for go, but the dressage whip is. Spurs are for refinement of solid training that is already there. A dressage whip...in your case for a horse that does NOT respond to leg when asked....is for "go". When you ask for forward or an upward change....of course leg asks first, no response....whip is used at the leg to reinforce it.
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post #25 of 25 Old 01-25-2014, 07:03 PM
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oh, if you have the bit too high, that can be uncomfortable. it should be as low as you can leave it without it banging on his teeth that are in front of the bars of his jaw. I usually have almost NO wrinkle. But, it depends on how the bit lies on the bars. too high, and when you pull back it will bang on his teeth that are on the deep side of the bars.
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