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post #11 of 17 Old 11-14-2011, 10:31 PM Thread Starter
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To me, it almost looks like you are squeezing with your knees, causing your leg to swing back and your heel to be up or level. Your hands look like they're in your lap, and the angle in your arms is pretty straight. So I would work on bringing your arms up and back. Remember, you are a waitress, and you don't want to drop your "tray". (Thank my instructor for that one). You also seem to be slouching a bit- remember to sit up tall, shoulders back.
Unfortunately, that is a permanent slouch, LOL. My back got deformed after a tail bone injury from being thrown from a greenie a few years ago.
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post #12 of 17 Old 11-15-2011, 05:58 AM
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Oh! I'm sorry, I didn't know. Disregard that comment then
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post #13 of 17 Old 11-15-2011, 08:18 PM Thread Starter
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^No problem, I always get coments on my score sheets like "rider slouching", "rider's upper body tense", or "shoulders back" stuff like that and really I am doing the best I can! LOL
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post #14 of 17 Old 11-16-2011, 06:03 AM
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I have to agree, a beautiful pair :) Im no pro but I would say sink your heels deeper, elbows slightly more bent and hands not resting and make your stirrups a tad longer. I hate long stirrups but for the discipline it's a necessity.

My instructor used to put a pole through my elbows and behind my back because I never kept them back! Ha ha! Those were frustrating times!

You guys are PERFECTLY turned out, well done :)
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post #15 of 17 Old 11-16-2011, 06:58 AM
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OP,

Your comments about the correction bit and training to be a reiner make perfect sense. What a shame.

You have taken on a really challenging project; however, he looks to be a pretty nice horse, so it's probably worth it.

I'm going to repeat my previous advice because I feel strongly about it - forget about showing for a while and just work on *forward* and acceptance of the bit. The problem isn't just that he thinks he shouldn't ever reach forward into the contact, it's also that he thinks he should move with a shortened stride and little engagment behind. Allowing him to move in the false frame and faking the contact is just reinforcing the wrong habits.

I'm going to assume you already have him in the mildest bit possible, I might also experiment with rollers, Mikmars, happy mouths - anything to encourage him to accept the contact. (Yes, you'll have to move back to a dressage legal bit to show him later.)

I'd also be working on *lots* of upward transitions and lengthenings in all gaits to work on that forward and ensure he's out in front of your leg. I would also get out of the ring and work in the open or on trails as much as possible to lose the association with this previous training and to encourage the freely forward.

Good luck, would love for you to post back about your progress.
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post #16 of 17 Old 11-17-2011, 07:00 PM Thread Starter
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OP,

Your comments about the correction bit and training to be a reiner make perfect sense. What a shame.

You have taken on a really challenging project; however, he looks to be a pretty nice horse, so it's probably worth it.

I'm going to repeat my previous advice because I feel strongly about it - forget about showing for a while and just work on *forward* and acceptance of the bit. The problem isn't just that he thinks he shouldn't ever reach forward into the contact, it's also that he thinks he should move with a shortened stride and little engagment behind. Allowing him to move in the false frame and faking the contact is just reinforcing the wrong habits.

I'm going to assume you already have him in the mildest bit possible, I might also experiment with rollers, Mikmars, happy mouths - anything to encourage him to accept the contact. (Yes, you'll have to move back to a dressage legal bit to show him later.)

I'd also be working on *lots* of upward transitions and lengthenings in all gaits to work on that forward and ensure he's out in front of your leg. I would also get out of the ring and work in the open or on trails as much as possible to lose the association with this previous training and to encourage the freely forward.

Good luck, would love for you to post back about your progress.
Thank-you so much for your advice. I wish you were somewhere in my area so you could watch me ride him and give advice, LOL. Those pictures were taken at our last show of this year. He defiantly was not prepared well at all to show, and I will defiantly admit that. It was my final year that I could show in 4-H and he was the only horse I had available so that's why I showed him. I really did feel bad showing him in his current state of training, and it worsened in the show atmosphere. He's not a nervous horse by any means, very calm and laid back, however his sucking back became a ton worse and he nearly tried to chew right through the bit. It's not that bad at home, just in the show atmosphere. I almost feel bad each time I put a bit in his mouth (I'm not one of those anti-bit extremist, I just know what he's been through and don't want to make it worse) He is such a sweet horse, he's very sensitive and thankfully he is such a great horse I can ride him in the arena with just a rope around his neck. My plan for him now is just take things slow and easy. I haven't been riding because of an illness I have, but previous to that I did exactly what you suggested, lot's of trails. Most the time I'll take him on a trail ride with just a rope halter on him and he is so happy. I will look into a snaffle with rollers, like you suggested, because I think that may help him with acceptance. When I can get back to riding, I will defiantly work on the things you suggested. Thank-you again for all the advice!

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post #17 of 17 Old 11-18-2011, 07:04 AM
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crimson,

My intenet wasn't to make you feel bad about your decision to show him; I completely understand. And I can also easily believe that he was even more backed off the bit because of the show atmosphere.

My point was that if you're serious about trying to reclaim him as a dressage horse, that continuing to show him at this time is counterproductive, but you've probably already figured that out for yourself. Even if his previous bad training makes it difficult to completely remake him as a dressage horse, you still have a lovely horse with a good attitude.

I love the photo of him being ridden bridleless. Completely different feeling to that photo.

Good luck with him!

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