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        06-21-2009, 09:14 PM
      #1
    Weanling
    How do we look?

    New footage from the other day [6-20-09]. Jumps are from 1'6" to 2'6" roughly. Just now getting back into serious training after a very hard winter.

    Critique and constructive comments are VERY welcome Please let me know how we are doing.



    A couple things I noticed are chicken wings and my leg slips back a couple times. I am self taught and working to get better. I don't do a huge release because June tends to take off after jumps, but yeah. Oh and I know in one of the trotting videos I am on the wrong diagnol *tehe* working on that. I was never taught how to tell the correct one from the wrong one.
         
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        06-21-2009, 10:38 PM
      #2
    Green Broke
    As you mentioned, in the first part when you two are trotting, at like 1:40, your posting on the wrong diagonal. To figure out if your on the wrong one, or right one, just remember this 'rise and fall with the leg on the wall'. So, when your 'up' you should be able to see your horses front outside toe.


    Hope that helped a little!
    Your horse is beautiful! And looks like a great ride too!
         
        06-21-2009, 10:58 PM
      #3
    Trained
    You two look like a great team!
         
        06-21-2009, 11:10 PM
      #4
    Weanling
    To check if you are on the right diagonal you should be rising when the horses' outside shoulder is going forwards, thus sitting in the saddle when it comes back. To correct a wrong diagonal you just have to sit for an even ammount of beats, could be 2, 4 or 6 or even 8! But the easiest and quickest way is to sit for 2 beats.
    Remember to keep your thumbs on top also :)
         
        06-21-2009, 11:15 PM
      #5
    Foal
    I've got the same problem as you with my leg slipping back when jumping, I'd say lots of no stirrup or bareback work to strengthen your leg muscles and lots and lots and lots.. of two point work, at the walk, at the trot, and at the canter.. Really strengthen your calves that will probably help. My instructor does like 15 minutes of no stirrup work and 5-10 minutes of two point both at the walk and trot at the start of all of my lessons.
         
        06-22-2009, 12:11 PM
      #6
    Weanling
    The first bit. I wouldn't recommend doing that on a horse. June may be pretty bombproof but it only takes one fly. We had out school master paint (worked with disabled children) kick out violently with his back leg (luckily no one was behind him) because there was a rather pesky fly bothering him. But ultimately it's your choice I'm not going to preach it.

    In the trotting vids, the diagonal has already been pointed out, but you need to pick up your hands slightly and remember thumbs on top. I'd like to see a bend in your elbow.

    Canter. I think you need to improve your seat a bit more. You're pretty much just planting your hands into your horse's neck. No stirrup work would do great things for your seat and help you keep that bum in the saddle. I've been looking at your horses canter for the longest time and something doesn't look right. Anyone care to explain it? Or am I just going insane?

    Jumping. If you're going to canter a fence I suggest you start your canter about half way around the ring before your jump. If your horse cantered on his own I would question his listening skills. You're over jumping by a bit. Sit and wait for your horse to come to you. You're gripping with your knee which is causing your lower leg to slip back. Think about sinking those heals down. You should be able to control your speed. If you feel your horse likes to take off after fences. Go back to basics. You seem to be getting popped out of the saddle a lot. I suggest really going back to basics on the flat to strengthen your two point and your seat. You seem a little insecure.

    In some bits you bump your horse in the mouth. If you're afraid of him going too speedy, try trotting into the jumps. You also stay in two point for a bit too long.

    I hope I don't sound too rude, but honestly with a few touchups you'll both be doing great
    Hope this made sence
         
        06-22-2009, 04:25 PM
      #7
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saint3meg3rlfc    
    The first bit. I wouldn't recommend doing that on a horse. June may be pretty bombproof but it only takes one fly. We had out school master paint (worked with disabled children) kick out violently with his back leg (luckily no one was behind him) because there was a rather pesky fly bothering him. But ultimately it's your choice I'm not going to preach it.

    In the trotting vids, the diagonal has already been pointed out, but you need to pick up your hands slightly and remember thumbs on top. I'd like to see a bend in your elbow.

    Canter. I think you need to improve your seat a bit more. You're pretty much just planting your hands into your horse's neck. No stirrup work would do great things for your seat and help you keep that bum in the saddle. I've been looking at your horses canter for the longest time and something doesn't look right. Anyone care to explain it? Or am I just going insane?

    Jumping. If you're going to canter a fence I suggest you start your canter about half way around the ring before your jump. If your horse cantered on his own I would question his listening skills. You're over jumping by a bit. Sit and wait for your horse to come to you. You're gripping with your knee which is causing your lower leg to slip back. Think about sinking those heals down. You should be able to control your speed. If you feel your horse likes to take off after fences. Go back to basics. You seem to be getting popped out of the saddle a lot. I suggest really going back to basics on the flat to strengthen your two point and your seat. You seem a little insecure.

    In some bits you bump your horse in the mouth. If you're afraid of him going too speedy, try trotting into the jumps. You also stay in two point for a bit too long.

    I hope I don't sound too rude, but honestly with a few touchups you'll both be doing great
    Hope this made sence
    Thanks for the critique, I am working on it :]

    His canter was off it isn't just you going crazy :] He had a tiny pebble bruise on one of his frogs. We checked him before and after the ride and pushed on it. He showed no signs of pain at all. His hooves don't do well coming out of winter cause of the sudden climate change, we are working on them, same thing happened last year. He is really hard to shoe so we keep him barefoot for now. But yeah it wasn't hurting him, he shows pain when he is in pain :]

    I am going to stop riding with those reins because they make my hands horrid lol. They are roping/gaming reins. They are just really soft so I like them but they aren't meant for what I am using them for. I will work on remembering to keep my hands up.

    Thank you for the jumping critique as well. I have never had a formal lesson for it in my life. I just started jumping last june and had to take the whole winter off haha [dang thoroughbred can't hold weight ]. I will definetly try what you suggested. Also not trying to make excuses but he really does horrible trotting into fences which is why we don't do it. He was trained to a high level eventer, when he tries to trot into them we can't get his striding correct at all. It is too late to retrain him, he is twenty :] I am hoping as we get back into riding regulary after him having such a long break he will fall back into listening more and not taking off.

    Oh yeah, I was told before that I didn't stay in two point long enough so I changed my riding and stay in it longer. I think it is a matter of personal training and opinion. It is strange, people never agree on things haha. I don't want to sound like I am ignoring that bit of advice but I try to stay off his back as much as I can because of his age and the fact that he lost about 100 pounds over the winter, we are working really hard to get all the weight back [we go most of it back YAY] and the muscle that he lost as well. But I do thank you again for taking the time to critique! I appreciate it!

    It will all take time, I really do appreciate your advice and will apply it to my riding!
         
        06-22-2009, 04:39 PM
      #8
    Weanling
    No problems you're very welcome. You're coming a long great, just a few little things that need fixing. Getting yourself videoed like this will really help.
         
        06-22-2009, 04:43 PM
      #9
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by saint3meg3rlfc    
    No problems you're very welcome. You're coming a long great, just a few little things that need fixing. Getting yourself videoed like this will really help.
    Since I am going to continue cantering him into jumps since he likes it better should I just do some half haults before the jumps? Also how can I get better at letting him come to me, I feel like when I just sit back until he starts to jump I get left behind. I noticed I have gotten better about the overjumping since I started looking up [I used to look at the jump until I got to it then I would look up, I know shame on me], but how can I get even better?
         
        06-22-2009, 05:56 PM
      #10
    Foal
    You're doing really great!! Its great seeing people putting videos in! But hey your awesome and you and your horse are really ment to be together! Im training my horses to jump, they haven't learn it, its not what icelandics do!
         

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