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        01-11-2011, 12:02 AM
    Green Broke
    Here is the video...mind you I am still learning and I can tell I bopped her in the mouth and my legs aren't steady as I am not use to posting and still trying to learn how to properly do it.

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        01-11-2011, 12:04 AM
    Green Broke
    JustDressageIt is just showing concern for the horse. I thought Gidget looked stiff, cranky and might have a head bob at the trot. It will be good to see another video. It IS hard to tell just from a short snippet. No one is trying to upset you, just trying to get to the bottom of the problem for both of your sakes. :)
        01-11-2011, 12:06 AM
    You paid a vet to come out and do a lameness exam, did you not? They should have, at the very very very least done a flexion test. I, as well as other posters, see lameness in a short 13 second clip. You said you paid a vet to come out and assess your horse, and in my opinion, if what you're saying is indeed true, they didn't do anything of the sort.
    You asked us if we thought your horse was lame. I replied that yes, I thought your horse was lame, and that it would be beneficial for you to get a vet out to assess her lameness. You seemed very concerned, and willing to want to help your horse out. You then posted that your vet came out, and performed some tests. I pointed out that those tests had little, if not nothing, to do with your horse's potential soundness issues, and that those tests would not have actually told you anything about her soundness. I also pointed out that your vet didn't perform any of the basic tests, or do any followup, like a qualified vet would. I can honestly say that, if the story is true, you need to find a new vet because yours doesn't even begin cover the basics.
    My opinion here is obviously not wanted, but I hope you read my posts and realize that I'm only thinking of the best for your horse. I only have your horse's best interests in mind. In my opinion, your horse is worth getting checked out by a qualified professional that isn't going to give you the brush off, or some BS excuse without doing the most basic of lameness tests. In my opinion, your horse *may* be lame, and in my opinion, a couple hundred dollars spent now on a good vet could save you a lot of money and heartache down the road.
    If you would like my thoughts on anything else concerning this matter, you are welcome to ask, otherwise I believe I've overstayed my welcome in this thread.

    Edited to add - after watching that video in the above post, I still think that the horse is lame in the right hind.
        01-11-2011, 12:11 AM
    Green Broke
    Oohps, I posted the above at almost the same time you posted the last video.

    She doesn't look lame to me in last one (but I am not real experienced in assessing lameness) but she does look uncomfortable and travels hollow and doesn't seem to like bit contact.

    So I don't know if that is because she doesn't like bit contact, or she is uncomfortable rounding up her back. If her neck (or back) hurts her, then that could explain it.

    Hopefully someone more experience will have more insight.
        01-11-2011, 12:12 AM
    Green Broke
    I can have another vet out or have her hauled to his place better yet.
    He is an equine vet.I can ask for a second opinion. Oh know..I told them over the phone I wanted the tack assessed(if they do that) and everything as she has some mood issues and to see if she is in pain.I can have another vet out but it will probably have to be next month is the thing or at the end of this month.
        01-11-2011, 12:15 AM
    Green Broke
    Her neck hurts her quite abit.
    I told them she hollows her back..they did say that if she is just going around that is okay but asking for a trot or canter she needs to be rounded...she doesnt like bit contact and I think it's cause it causes tention on her neck. I have been working with contact and then releasing when she does good but for me(still need lessons) I can't seem to get her to work from the's hard for me..I heard it will be a lot easier to ride if she is rounded.
        01-11-2011, 12:18 AM
    Green Broke
    Originally Posted by Gidget    
    here is the video...mind you I am still learning and I can tell I bopped her in the mouth and my legs aren't steady as I am not use to posting and still trying to learn how to properly do it.

    YouTube - 003

    Oh and the back foot you mainly see is her crooked foot.
        01-11-2011, 12:25 AM
    Green Broke
    She's probably not rounding her back because she has a pain issue, not that you aren't asking correctly.

    The reason I say that, is because my level of training isn't very good myself, and I can still get my (non gaited) horses to collect up, or at least what feels like collection to me.

    So I guess what I'm saying is, I think Gidget would be at least attempting to arch her neck/break at the poll and travel less hollow if that is what you were aiming for. Because she is not, I think it is physical problem for her.
        01-11-2011, 12:26 AM
    She is your horse, and it is your money.
    I am simply telling you that whatever the vet did today was not anywhere near a lameness exam. If you told the vet you were concerned about her being possibly lame, the vet should have, at the absolute bare minimum, watched her lunge in a circle at a good trot, and then done some flexion tests. Your vet did not test lameness AT ALL today, so you cannot say that your horse isn't lame; your vet did not come anywhere close to testing her.
    If you went into the doctor and complained that your knee hurt, and they said "well, your other foot kinda turns in, your neck is out, and your shoes are an okay fit" would you be happy with that? No, you would expect to have some tests done on why your knee hurts. You would want answers, and you would likely feel that you just wasted a ton of time and money. You would likely feel, too, that the doctor was a crock. Your knee would still hurt, and you would have no idea why, nor how to deal effectively with the pain.
    If you're satisfied with that type of answer, then I really honestly don't know what to say. I would not be. I would want my money's worth. If I paid a vet to come out and check out my horse, I would be furious if they didn't perform certain examinations.
    In thorse videos, she looks very stiff and in pain. I still say it originates in the hind end, and I would want to make for absolute certain that it is NOT in the hind end before I proceeded.
        01-11-2011, 12:27 AM
    Green Broke
    Yea,I think this is what I will do..
    Get another opinion from a vet..I know which one I have in mind.
    And see what they think and I will also have a horse massage therapist out for her as I know someone that's daughter just completed her schooling and whatnot and needs clients to help her get going.

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